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God meets a different standard of proof : Comments

By Richard Shumack, published 1/8/2013

Celebrity atheist Lawrence Krauss will face off against Christian apologist William Craig, but will they meet the appropriate standard of proof.

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ok..close enough

http://rbedrosian.com/gosh4.htm

page/100.

In a vision,..a certain king/saw foxes..pouring down like rain.
He ordered it proclaimed..that one thousand dahegans..would begiven to whomever interpreted the meaning..of this vision.

When a certain poor man..heard this,..he went
and..said:.."If you will excuse me..for three days,..I will reveal..[the meaning]..to you."

Then he went to a desert/retreat..and wandered about,..meditating.
A dragon (vishap)..was there,,,saw the confused man,and said: "What will you give me..if I interpret the king's vision for you?"

And[the man]..replied:..Half of what the king promised[me]..will be yours."..The dragon spoke:"Go..and say that a time is coming..when men will be deceivers..and treacherous as foxes."

So[the poor man]..went and said this..and his interpretation seemed correct[to the king],..for indeed people/were that way...[The king] gave him the promised one thousand dahegans.

The man,however,deceived the dragon,
not returning..to him.

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till..the next kings dream..

dragon said:.."Go..and say that the time has come..when people are as simple-minded as sheep."..He went and interpreted it...[The king] accepted[the explanation]..and gave him an additional..one thousand dahegans.

Taking this,..the man went/betrayed..etc

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After this,[the king]..saw yet another vision
wherein,..l0..swords came raining down.

And..had the man summoned again..to have this[vision]..interpreted too...

The man made the same request for time..and went to the dragon..who immediately explained it..as if to a friend.

It said:.."Go and say that the time has come
when people come forth..as tyrants and swordsmen."

He wen.. and related this..to the king a
nd received one thousand dahegans.

Then he went to the dragon,..saying to himself:.."Now why should I leave the dragon one thousand dahegans or bring him five hundred dahegans?

Rather,..I shall attack and slay the dragon."..

And he attempted..to strike the dragon,
..but failed since the dragon eluded him.

The man regretted[his deed]..and thought:

"I have done wickedly, for should it be necessary again..[to get an interpretation] how can I approach him?"..

Seeing the man grieving, the dragon..said to him:

"Grieve not,oh man..
because you are not to blame;
rather,..it is the times.*..For your deception..[belongs to] the time of hypocrites;*..

your repentance..and payment of the one thousand dahegans,
to the time of ingenuousness;..and your attack on me,..to the time of tyrants."
Posted by one under god, Monday, 5 August 2013 12:36:05 PM
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George,

Thanks for the explanation.
Posted by mac, Monday, 5 August 2013 2:05:52 PM
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Dear David G.,

<<While so many people are wasting time discussing theo-babble, the Yanks are busy taking over our country...
When the Stars and Stripes hang over our Parliament, will Australians wake up then?>>

Even more so, at times of adversity when all looks bleak and there seems to be nowhere to turn, remember:

The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want.
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures, He leadeth me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul, He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for His name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil - for Thou art with me, Thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies, Thou anointest my head with oil, my cup runneth over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KgqvMPXjYeE/T3bckyFjelI/AAAAAAAACeM/mrWIQd1vZuE/s1600/cat%2Band%2Bdogs%2Bgerman%2Bshephards%2Bpsalm%2B23%2BCat.jpg

Amen!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 5 August 2013 3:36:14 PM
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found it

ivan and the snake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9MQ88NEO7Q

antiseptic/quote..:<<A cognitive leap
is a jump from one mode of thought..to another.>

cognition

— n
1. the mental act*..or process
by which knowledge is acquired,..including perception, intuition, and reasoning

2. the knowledge that results from such an act or process

Medical Dictionary

cognition cog·ni·tion
n.
The mental faculty*

..of knowing, which includes perceiving,
recognizing, conceiving, judging, reasoning, and imagining.

The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary

Science Dictionary
cognition (

The mental process
.. of knowing, including awareness, perception, reasoning, and judgment.

yet i prefer the LATEST*..new definition
http://philosophy2100.blogspot.com.au/2010/08/cognition-new-definition.html

EDITED...<<..Cognition refers to processes that allow humans to know what is going on out there and how to respond. You can begin to understand cognition by examining how humans find food, eat and move in a coherent spacetime frame. The brain contains feature matrices that create meaningful connections between the body inside and the environment outside.

Humans have an innate sense of spacetime. Maps of spacetime can be found in the cerebral cortex. Sensory information flows into these spacetime maps and motor output flows out. Our speech grows from movements in spacetime and communications with sounds. We often use metaphors of movement in descriptions of everything that happens. Humans act on the world through praxis or skilled movements.

The term, thought, is often used as a synonym for cognition but this is incorrect. A giant leap in understanding cognition is realizing that talking is thinking. We talk to each other and talk to ourselves. Thinking is selftalk, listening to others, speaking with others, reading and writing. Speakers and listeners form thinking groups and in the best case arrive at a common understanding of what is going on out there.

Selftalk is the only conscious mode of thinking and is so implicit in consciousness that “thinkers” fail to identify selftalk as their primary mode of thinking. Thinking is, therefore, storytelling, a form of argument...>>>

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Posted by one under god, Monday, 5 August 2013 7:29:14 PM
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Yuyutsu, thanks for that little bit of theo-babble. I remember it well from my Church days when I was a serious believer.

Fortunately, I saw the light, saw the fraud that religion is, and I beat a hasty repeat and have never looked back.

The light hasn't dawned for you yet but I give you full marks for trying to fuse religion and reality.

Unfortunately, they are contradictory, my friend.

Cheers.
Posted by David G, Monday, 5 August 2013 7:39:14 PM
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page..95..[self talk]
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=nx0ZYrhgwN8C&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=self+talk+l+is+spirit+communication&source=bl&ots=WdKBDQax05&sig=s2xrYC-smThc06x2PlgC02GO2Gc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GHL_UbTaD8bGkQW-64DIAg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=self%20talk%20l%20is%20spirit%20communication&f=false

then
http://angels.about.com/od/AngelBasics/f/How-Can-I-Protect-Myself-From-Fallen-Angels.htm
..<<in his book \]..Glimpses of the Devil,
http://www.amazon.com/Glimpses-Devil-Psychiatrists-Possession-Redemption/dp/B000FTBPMI/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1319726961&sr=1-1

<<and concludes..that:
“Possession...is not an accident.
In..becoming possessed,..the victim must*
at least..in some way,..cooperate with..or sell out..to the d-evil.”>>

ie..our thoughts..are energy..for* spirit
*to think vile..&*IS*..to attract vile.

<<In his book..about evil called...People of the Lie,
http://www.amazon.com/People-Lie-Hope-Healing-Human/dp/0684848597/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1319726961&sr=1-3

<< Peck says..that..the way to be free..*of bondage..to evil
is to submit to God..and his goodness*:>>

grace/..mercy/..love etc

<<“There are..two states..of being:..submission to God..and goodness

or the refusal,,to submit to anything*..beyond one’s own..will-
-which refusal..automatically enslaves one..to the forces of evil.

We must..*ultimately..CHOSE*..
to WHAT*..we wish to belong>>..

by..giving aid/comfort..*[help]..to either God..[good]..
or the materialistic..self..referred to..as a devil.”>>..

our thoughts*..are pure energy
E*..food..that feed angels..or feed demons..
both are involved in..'self=talk;..[internal-networking..;IN-spi-ration]

bacteria*..talk..via chemicals
http://www.google.com.au/url?q=http://www.ted.com/talks/bonnie_bassler_on_how_bacteria_communicate.html&sa=U&ei=GHL_UbTaD8bGkQW-64DIAg&ved=0CDQQtwIwBw&sig2=IMEufBCWYC1e4VfVxlYtfQ&usg=AFQjCNG_7Q2C1w_OUfeniWLnVK72nK8xvA

Motivational Interviewing..is a collaborative,..goal-­oriented method of communication..
with particular attention to the..language of change.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:IZYTpEm2_CAJ:http://www.motivationalinterview.org/Documents/1%2520A%2520MI%2520Definition%2520Principles%2520%26%2520Approach%2520V4%2520012911.pdf%2Bself+talk+l+is+spirit+communication&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a&gws_rd=cr&hl=en&ct=clnk

It is designed..to strengthen an individual’s motivation
for*..and movement..toward..*a specific goal..by eliciting and exploring the person’s 'own'..[internal]..arguments for change.

The “Spirit”
of..*Motivational Interviewing

*MI is more than the use..of a set of technical interventions.

It is characterized..by a particular "spirit”..
or clinical “way of being”..which is the context..of interpersonal relationship..within which..the techniques are employed.

The spirit of MI..is based on three key elements
:..collaboration between the therapist and the client;..
evoking or drawing out the client‘s ideas..about change;..and emphasizing..the autonomy of the client.

then

http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/11/how-to-meet-your-higher-self/

Your higher self is you...You..as living ENERGY*..in the ether.
Your higher self..is the real you,..your total soul consciousness.

The you..that is living..here on Earth
is just a projection..[vessel/vehicle/link]..
of the consciousness*..of your higher self...with ego[id]

Your higher self..is the more complete you,
the one..that isn’t being frustrated..by the veil..that draws down upon us..when we incarnate..*that causes us..*to forget where we came from...indeed where we wish to go..*to.

Before you incarnated,..*your higher self
got together..with some spirit guides..[guilds/societies]..and basically said,..“Will you watch over me..when I incarnate?

I’d particularly..like your help..to accomplish X.”

HS..gets all your guides together,..explains the plan
and how they will be able..to help you,..and then prepares to cast a portion..of its consciousness..onto Earth...

and thus
here we are*..now what?
Posted by one under god, Monday, 5 August 2013 8:16:19 PM
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