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God meets a different standard of proof : Comments

By Richard Shumack, published 1/8/2013

Celebrity atheist Lawrence Krauss will face off against Christian apologist William Craig, but will they meet the appropriate standard of proof.

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'Poirot, I'm a little concerned about you. I've read a couple of your recent posts and you seem to be a lot more negative than usual.'

'Anti, I'm mightily impressed with your measured tone these days :)'

I for one am uncomfortable with this turn of events. I believe Anti is on something, and Poirot is depressed. Perhaps she's off something.

Anyway, know that god is watching. Just a stranger on a bus...
Posted by Houellebecq, Monday, 5 August 2013 9:22:32 AM
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Houellie,

Sorry to put a spanner in the works of your theory...but I'm not depressed. : )

".....Perhaps she's off something."

Only problem with your theory is that I've never been on anything....(except perhaps my high horse:)

Although......I suspect I imbibe too many cups of tea most days (I like to live dangerously:)

Nah - just got the pip with the two major political parties and having a jolly good rant, as you do.
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 5 August 2013 9:59:21 AM
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Poirot,

I figured you felt that way. I've had a read through the thread again and given what I've dealt with, I'd say that I've been relatively patient and measured in my responses. I don't think I've been too antagonistic but I'd agree I've been a little provocative at times. Not necessarily in a bad way, though.

If you're not necessarily expressing a disapproval of my actions, and are merely pointing out that I should expect the responses that I've received, then okay, but I disagree. No-one should ever expect to be slandered. Outwitting an antagonist is a far better method of dealing with them. That George is unable to do this only highlights the weakness of his position and/or is a sign of his maturity levels.

However, if you ARE expressing a disapproval of my actions, then I think you’re holding a double standard there. One could describe your communication with AGW deniers as antagonistic and provocative too (and I certainly don't blame you for being that way with them, given what you deal with). Ask yourself, though, why is it alright to be like that with AGW deniers and not theists? This is a common double-standard people hold: thinking that theists deserve some sort of a free pass. I’m sometimes even admonished by my fellow atheists for holding theists to account, yet I never receive a good reason as to why expecting a justification for those beliefs should remain so taboo (a couple of my responses regarding this can be found at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5547#151500 and http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=10496#178700).

Continued…
Posted by AJ Philips, Monday, 5 August 2013 10:15:46 AM
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…Continued

This is how provocativeness can be productive: if enough of us have the courage to stand up and ask that they either justify their beliefs, or take a backseat and stop wrecking everything because of them, then religion will eventually be humbled into a position where the biggest danger it poses is the lack of critical thought that it endorses and the flow-on effects that can have to other, more important decisions in life. Take George for example, he’s smart enough to know that one is on the back foot when defending religious belief and that is why he would NEVER say this, or that to someone else. Sounds admirable, but it’s to be expected, give the theist’s position.

Antiseptic,

<<…in the circumstances of trying to hold a friendly and productive discussion rather than having a debate with the intent of scoring points.>>

One thing I can say is that I have appreciated your tone. But as I have pointed out with George, tone isn’t everything. A passive aggressiveness can be just as bad. A mild tone is not a licence to say or imply anything we want.

As for point scoring, this is an accusation that is usually levied at me when I attempt to point out how the discussion has progressed after someone has tried to skew the reality there (as if others couldn’t just scroll up and read). Don’t fall for the trap of scrambling for the moral highground, will you. People see through it too easily.

Actually, on second thought, perhaps they don’t..?
Posted by AJ Philips, Monday, 5 August 2013 10:15:50 AM
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While so many people are wasting time discussing theo-babble, the Yanks are busy taking over our country.

Yes, all over our land they are spreading like cancer, making moves on our harbors and airfields, expanding their spying facilities, trying to use our islands to launch drones, using Australia as one of their military outposts in the South Pacific!

And while they do, we waste our intellectual energy debating and arguing about mythical creatures called gods.

Stone the crows, are we crazy or what? When the Stars and Stripes hang over our Parliament, will Australians wake up then?
Posted by David G, Monday, 5 August 2013 11:28:40 AM
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just need to add a few links..as
i have..too many pages open

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Delusion_vs_Hallucination
<<..Contents

*Different types
Of hallucinations:
Of delusions:
*Causes:
Hallucinations:
Delusions:
Prognosis
Hallucinations
Delusions
Work up and diagnosis
Hallucination
Delusions
Treatment
Of hallucinations
Of delusions..>>

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=14814&page=0#256082

<<..Creation is a more fundamental notion than nature. : Comments>>

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15077&page=0#261139
<<A resurgence of biblical literalism?>>

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=9389&page=0#150883
<<Querying the Dawkins view of science >>

ok...yes any document..is a proof
its falsifiable.. being ..*PROVE ITS A FAKE*

thus i accept obama..on his written word/thesis
and await its fauls-if-ication..if any*

A*J..protest-eth..too much
but is fun..witty and good at trolling..out new info

poirot..isnt depressed
its the times..that shade the words meaning*
cant find it,..but its about a king who has vision/dream
and a man..who betrays the snake..3 times..who explained the vision to him

and inthe ends says his bad manner
was only a reflection of the times

but this other one looks good too
http://www.lafontaine.net/lesFables/fableEtr.php?id=909

try going to keiser..clicking next vidio
next next..etc..these are our times

same lies by different lie*rs
whoisnt depressed must be imbecile[ward of the court]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j615aokEA_Y

anyhow need some vit d
im going to sit in the sun*
warm these aching bones..empty vowels..[b]
Posted by one under god, Monday, 5 August 2013 11:35:03 AM
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