Timkins

When you begin your posts with a list of diatribe such as your previous post, I don't bother reading it any further. If you wish people to consider your opinions on this forum, then please desist from prefacing your posts with this irrelevant rant. Thank you.

Back to topic

Abortion is always last resort.
It takes two to get pregnant - but only one who has the final responsibilty.
Abortions need to be safe and legal or we risk the death or sterility of our young women.
Abstinence doesn't work, nor are contraceptives 100% effective.

The above are facts - the rest of the debate is whether you choose to have an abortion or not. If you believe in the sanctity of the foetus from the moment of conception then don't have an abortion

Scout

Thank you. Your first paragraph is spot on.

Cheers
Kay

Timkins, as a pro-choice advocate I do not do as you have suggested pile on the abortion propaganda or open up with a diatribe of feminist techniques.

But to answer your question “why would that be”

From the perspective of this individuals philosophy and values, I observe one powerful and over riding point.

Woman are individuals, just like men.

Women have the right to determine how their bodies will be used, without recourse to or sanction from third party meddlers who seem to see the matter of human sovereignty as an affront to their own values and religious systems.

No one, not you, not the Pope or any religious leader of any denomination or creed has right to interfere or intervene in a woman’s sovereignty over her own body.

The history of humanity is littered with unwanted pregnancy which have, naturally, resulted in either abortion or unwanted children. The outcome of pregnancy in “fetal” terms, is secondary to right of the individual whose body is host to the process of gestation.

So – people who are individuals do not have to kowtow to your view of what is right or your expectations of them. They have every right to ignore you in the decisions which affect their daily lives. If a woman wants an abortion it is a matter of her body therefore her choice.

As for your attempt to “slag off” at pro-choice, let me advise you of what I have observed

It is the anti-abortion lobby who

produce the most emotive propaganda and lies to support their right to interfere.

shoot and bomb doctors, clinics and kill security guards hired to protect legally licenced medical facilities.

see their view as omnipotent and would see women reduced to the status of a piece of property in pursuit of their cause.

represent the real challenge to both democracy and individual freedoms and needs to be resisted in every confrontation and opportunity.

Col

Very insightful post. Thank you.

Kay

I'm a bit on the fence about abortion - but a bit leaning towards pro-life (where does life begin?). i've read some pretty sound points. Some less sound than others.
Col Rouge, you said Women have the right to determine how their bodies will be used. you obviously mean something more fine tuned, but please, that statement seems to allow too much- like this: some woman declares that since she has the right to determine how her body is used, she can use it to kill me or you. obvously you dont mean that women have the right to determine how their bodies are to be used in order to kill someone- i know you dont mean that- because killing someone involves harming someone elses body rather than her own. But then i see a problem- abortion is doing this.
i also read a post-sorry i forgot whose it was- where they had lots of support from people when her already born child was very sick, and theres a difference between that and what people do when the child is very sick but not born yet. I reckon its all 'out of sight out of mind' stuff- as in, people grow more emotionally attatched to the child when its born and they can see it and hold it etc.

Hello Robert, and a good gauntlet you threw down. I do apologise to my seemingly irrelevent comments on this important issue, but it's all been done to death. All the women that have posted on any forum re abortion has been honest and open and mainly spoken from the mouth of experience. There have been some male posters that have recognised this, and given great insights to their own experience, and then we've had the posters spewing stats and seemingly relevant bible bits, along with bad poetry, to justify exactly what? You all know who you are. It's like a blowfly in a jar. And don't go the Leonard Cohen again Timkins, it's so not you! Try spice girls instead.