Jose having a prolifer acknowledge the mother has some rights is a big move forward.

However your statement “who freely chose to conceive, however if she was raped then the rapist should compensate for the damages rather than the child.”

How do you know she freely chose to conceive?

That is a presumption on your part.

She may have intended simply to enjoy a “congress of the flesh” with no intention to conceive.

Her diaphragm or the condom might have split.

She may have forgotten to take her “pill” or her IUD may have malfunctioned.

Either way suggesting she “freely chose to conceive” is an assumption of her “intent” by you.

A woman who is endeavouring to obtain an abortion, clearly does not intend to pursue the pregnancy, regardless of the “intent” which prevailed when she conceived.
The woman still has the most significant involvement, above and beyond the involvement of everyone else with the process of the gestation of her own offspring.
That you seek to interfere in the options available and enforce your will for her to remain pregnant for 9 months is your issue to deal with.
I assume you were not actually there to know or testify how “freely she chose to conceive”! Well she was but is not accountable to you or any other prolifer for her choices.

As for rape – the process of gestation is a long and solitary one. You do not have the right to demand a woman divert the course of her life to pursue the birth of a child which was not conceived by her own free will. You do not have the right to suggest she stop, put her life on hold and drop what she was doing to entertain your notions of righteous action. You just do not have a right to interfere in her life or her life choices.

Oh and you are in out with the fairies if you think you stand any chance of ever forcing any rapist to ever be able to compensate his victim.

Although humour us all, how would you?

Thanks Col

Good post, you're on the mark.

Cheers
Kay

Free choice to have sex. The natural function of sex is reproduction. So it was a free choice of an action, the natural function of which is reproduction.

People commit rape because their use of their sexual faculty is behaviourally disordered.
Would you think that attempting to separate sex from its natural function is behaviourally disordered?
Why do you think people commit rape?

Jose

Rape is not a sexual act perse. One of the most predominant myths and misconceptions about rape is that is perpetrated to gain sexual gratification. Not so. I have read numerous books and research articles on the subject and I have spoken to numerous sexual assault counsellors. They will all tell you what I am asserting. I have counselled numerous rape victims.

Sexual organs are merely the vehicle for henous crime. The goal of rape is to take control away from a woman (in this case)and to violate her. It is primarily power and control issue. It has nothing to do with sexual gratification. It is meant to degrade a person in the worst possible way. It is meant to humiliate.

Why do you think so many elderly woman are brutally bashed and raped?

Many rapists never penetrate a woman with their penis. They use sticks and brooms and the like. Many woman are not vaginally raped, but anally raped.

The two males who raped me told the police that they had planned to go out and find a woman to bash and rape.

About two years after I recovered (if one ever does), I specialised in teaching sexual assault and rape at university nursing level.

I hope this post clears up some issues for you.

Cheers
Kay

Jose “Free choice to have sex. The natural function of sex is reproduction. So it was a free choice of an action, the natural function of which is reproduction.”

”Free choice” sure but the “intention” may well not be to have a child – unless of course one is a devout catholic and since I am a protestant (of sorts) the Pope & Co hold no sway in my views.

“Would you think that attempting to separate sex from its natural function is behaviourally disordered?”

Only a deluded virgin or the religiously obsessed would perceive separation of the desire for sex and the desire to procreate would indicate a “behavioural disorder”.

I would further suggest, since psychology (and the assessment of disorders or abnormal behaviour) is based on statistics where in “norms” represent usually 2 SD from the mean, such “separation” is the “norm” – and not a disorder of any sort .

“Why do you think people commit rape?”

Studies indicate rape is less about “sex” and more about power, anger , abuse and control. Rape is generally pursued by men who perceive themselves to be inadequate and who vent anger at their inadequacies by abusing and controlling their victims and denying their victims “choice”.
Oh look – yet another opportunity for those with a sense of inadequacy to deny “choice” to someone else.

Now three for you –

Why do you think people commit rape?

And I asked you before and which you have failed to respond to – “how are you going to make a rapist compensate his victim?”

Are you a devout catholic or possibly even a priest and are you in a physical relationship with someone else of the opposite sex?

Kalweb,
Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
Regarding the reasons people do these acts (part in reply to Col) I believe they have a disordered view of women (sexually as well as non-sexually) and of human dignity. Basically Col, I agree with you on why people rape.

Col,
"Only a deluded virgin or the religiously obsessed would perceive separation of the desire for sex and the desire to procreate would indicate a “behavioural disorder”."
The reason humans have a desire for sex in the first place comes from the tendency to procreate (in-built in their nature). They are not separate.

Yes I am Catholic, as you have deduced by reading my posts in the Intelligent Design thread.
Not a priest.
Not married.

Now that you have brought religion into the air, out of interest, being Protestant, do you believe the Lutheran doctrine of the enslavement of the Will?