its still hilarious
i took davids panties

and my guides provided..the recall..of how the body..has a point called the midline..?

[where the flat cellular blast
folds and joins ..to create a 3 dimentional phetus..from the flat blasto-disk?..

[a biologist could more properly name them..correctly

regardless that envisioning..reminded me of a theory..of mind
that explains the phenomena of non symmetry..of bilateral body

[most easily egsampled..as when..seeing breasts of different sizes
[as well as mismatched labia..and the non similarity of each face/half

[the point is made seen/visually..when a mirror [held on the face mid-line point..reflects either the left/right..and completely different faces emerge

[its the formalization..[marriage]..of the two divergent[spirit/per-son-ages]..[ie..the male-sperm/fee-male egg]..

to return that to earlier reflectance
two person become one ..[male./fee-mail..ie the proper of marriage]

[the scrotum..is the most noticeable 'sign'
of this mid-line point i referenced earlier

anyhow i was searching for
the bi-symmetry..mid-line stuff..in its spiritual concept
via search here..[now]..by trying to explain it..anyhow

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=bi-simuli+ism&

i will sort it out later

here

http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15083#15083

Dear George,

Of course your feelings about God are real and important whether or not they can be expressed in language. Poetry sometimes is an attempt to express in language what cannot be expressed in language.

However, it does not follow that rejection of a supernatural of any kind and having a high regard for the scientific method as a means of obtaining information about the world means that one maintains that science can explain everything or that there are not aspects of reality beyond the reach of science.

Chapter 32 of Genesis tells of the Golden Calf. Because one does not worship the Golden Calf of religion and respects science does not mean one makes science into a Golden Calf. We need no Golden Calves of any sort.

anyhow..its a wild ride

original extracted/from
http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15084#15084

<<In order..to be able to live this [material]..way,[ta0]
however,..we must be regenerated,..which for Swedenborg involves an opening-up of our internals..

<<that seems very similar to the enlightenment
or pravrtti "turning around"..of Buddhist liberation.>>

NOW please..*see the blast0-disk..
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=blastodisc

enfolding back..
into..the one..self..[the fetus]

<<The germinal disc,..also called the blastodisc,..
is a small,..circular,..white spot(approximately 2-3 mm across)..on the surface of the yellow yolk of a bird's egg.>>

that before..was of two parts..
[nature/darkness/sperm../life-egg/nurture]
now joined..into one flesh[..as witnessed by our mid-line and dis-similarity..of our material body..
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=body+dissimilarity

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=body+midline
http://www.google.com.au/images?q=body+midline

see how a sperm..plus an egg..
replicate..to form..the blast-disk
that then..turned *NOT BACKWARDS..[away]..but towards other

Quote:..<<The origin of evil..is that "man
turned himself backwards,..away from the Lord,..and round towards himself" >>

ie..away..from..the unseen one.[X].
TOWARDS an..'other'..alike yet not..self[X]
ie wrere PHYSSICLYjoined together[as one flesh]..married*..WITH other..[totalunion..to form that we now call..me/you/us/them[allother =this marriaged duelity..og [x]+[why]

[y?]..[your-self]..[my-self]
=our..self=himself..ourselves..[he=we]

Quote:<<..(CL 444);
we need to "turn back around"
away from self..and towards the Lord.>>

without rejecting any-other
by simply loving other..thus not rejecting our..otherness.[of self]

Quote:<<.This turning-around..liberates
the Lord's influx..to flow into us.>>and from us

<<..This influx is life itself.,,We have no other life of our own, being receptacles of this divine life.>>

<<The question is how much of this influx we are open to...Depending on my ruling love,..this influx is choked and constricted..(by self-love)..For it flows effortlessly/endlessly..like a fountain..(into love of God..and neighbor).

<<I think this points..to the solution
of a perennial religious problem:..the relationship..between personal effort and transcendental grace.>>

this is supposed to/be included..
into the preceding text..above this link
http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15084#15084

which continues from..a sample..from
http://www.human-inquiry.com/sacsc.pdf

re david's golden/calf..LAUGH*
led to..this/blast..at..christians

<<..A Divine/Authority..that does/not..belong
to them..has indeed been..ascribed to..humanly devised/doctrines.

<<.This..is wrong...It has..given/rise..to
bigotry..and intolerance.

It..has caused..the..spirit/of..Christian
charity..to/be violated..by persecution,..and..consumed..in the flames..of enmity..and hatred...

*But..these evils..cannot..be/remedied..merely/by ignoring..doctrinal/differences..and..cultivating..an/attitude..of indifference..to all..matters..of spiritual/faith.

For..the charity..*that..is
needed..to restore.internal/harmony..>>

extracted/from
http://www.celestinevision.com/celestine/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15085#15085

To see..from principles,[and..hind-sight]
or..from ends..and causes,..is to see..from heaven..

enabling us to..SEE..all things..
even that...which..are below,..even those..which are..here/seen/heard..here..on the/earth."

In..the Most..insipid..and Ancient Churches,
men..were led..by the Lord..as little children,..subject to direct command.

They..were not..yet..capable of rational/understanding..and judgment with reference..to spiritual things,..and therefore they were in obedience..*prompted by innocence,..that is,..by a simple willingness to be led/and obey..by faith..alone.

They lacked..the knowledge..of natural things,
of physical/natural/nurture forces..and the laws..of their operation with-in nature,..which knowledge..is essential..to an understanding of how the Lord operates..in His government/of the universe.

From love they..derived a perception
that what the Lord..said was true,..and they accepted His Word without question..in heart and by ultimate/faith...*But they could not yet be given..to know how it was true;!

nor was it necessary..that they should,know/then
since they..were under the immediate guidance..of the Lord,..like children..depending upon the judgment..of a wise father.

In the.First Christian/Church,..the grace was
spiritually..in the state of youthful/innocence,..inthat..by being still dependent,..in large measure,..*upon direct command,..

yet longing..to be free,..struggling to understand,
eagerly searching..for an explanation..of the deepest mysteries of life.

And though they were not..yet..prepared to solve
those problems-being..because they were..*misled by appearances, falling into error,..becoming enamored..of natural/knowledges/science..the many of life's-isms'

and..the external advantages..to be derived there/from-
yet this struggle..was used by the Lord..to form the/rational mind,..to furnish it*..with factual/data,..and to train it*..in logical deduction with/regard to..our fathers nurture via..natural uses.[not ab-uses]

All this..was a necessary preparation,..for humanity
in order/that..the Lord might..*at last give..*His own Divine explanation..of spiritual truth..in rational terms..such as man is now equipped..to comprehend,

by..logically/systematically..fairly..correcting..
the errors of human/thought..illusion and delusion..and
in..our own..good time..to seek the opening..of..the way.[ta0].for material/mind of man..to enter..intellectually into the mysteries of faith.

The/giving..of the..many-fold..sacred/Writings
introduces mankind..into a/new..evolving..state,-the state..of spiritual..adult life.

Man must..still/be.led..*by the Lord..*alone.
[not..the word..as much as..the spirit..with-in..the word

His faith..must be founded upon..a simple belief
in..the Divine-Truth..of the Word-even though..in large measure.that truth is..*not..yet..fully..understood..

YET*..but..with..just a little..love?

George,

The Christian god is a god who has an important message for us all and wants to share it. Thus we absolutely can expect that this god communicate with us on our terms, and that no god - who actually wanted to communicate with us - would choose any other way if it genuinely wanted to convey its message.

<<Even on a naive, level - seeing god as a being comparable to e.g. Dawkins’ Ultimate Boeing 747 - you cannot demand of such an earthly “superbeing” to communicate with you on your terms. And if he does not, and communicates only with those he choses, you cannot imply that this is so because he is unable to meet your terms.>>

This is a good example of what I meant several months ago when I pointed out that you were ‘having your cake and eating it too’ (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5580#154685). To which you only replied with an ad hominem suggesting that I was some sort of a fundamentalist (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5580#154717).

If you are happy to refer to yourself as a ‘Christian’ (specifically a Catholic one at that) and take part in Christian rituals, only to then retreat to some apophatic obscurity when it suits you or to avoid uncomfortable answers, then this is indeed the very definition, and epitome, of having one’s cake and eating it too - which is fine; that’s your prerogative, but…

You cannot switch back and forth on a whim and then suggest that others are being naive in attacking the actual theology of the three major religions; the theology that the vast majority - those people in the pews - actually believe; the theology that you ascribe to.

That’s cheating.

Oh, a man who eats fruitcake is a terrible disgrace.
He lies in the gutter with crumbs on his face.
Away, away with rum, by gum.
It’s the song of the Salvation Army.