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How to stop the boats : Comments

By David Leyonhjelm, published 6/5/2013

The Government cannot stop the boats and the Opposition's plan won't do it either. But charging a fee will.

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Good post Lexi, I do not see one post by the so called pro refugee people here supporting any kind of open door policy, any kind of non screening, any support what so ever for criminals, etc. What I do see are people with humanity and compassion for their fellow man. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for many of the anti asylum seeker posters. Their posts are peppered with hate fueling clap trap, exaggerations and generalizations along with outright deceptions. Always trying to whip up hysteria about asylum seekers, with the exaggerations of, one is criminal, all are criminals, one is a fanatic, all are fanatics, one is not genuine, all are not genuine.
There is noting new to the use of generalization and exaggeration to build hatred towards one group or another in society, its been going on since before Nero fed the Christians to the lions.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 12:02:42 PM
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Dear Paul1405,

I've just received an article via email that may be
of interest. I'd like to quote a little from it:

"On Monday in Canberra with Foreign Minister Bob Carr
and other dignitaries in attendance, the Governor
General conferred honorary Australian citizenship on
Raoul Wallenberg, the Swedish diplomat responsible for
saving the lives of many thousands of Jews in Nazi-occupied
Hungary."

"In the words of Peter Wertheim - of the Executive Council
of Australian Jewry, through this ceremony Australia is,
"Not just honouring the late Raoul Wallenberg as a man who
was brave and who faced down incredible evil. I think we're
also saying something about who we are as a nation...that
the qualities of courage, compassion and basic human decency
are the very qualities by which we define our own national
character at its best."

Yet as the article points out, "honouring the courageous
and compassionate acts of half a century ago can say
nothing flattering about Australia's national character unless
we are also prepared to let that same courage and compassion
define our actions in the present. A genuine tribute to the
spirit of Raoul Wallenberg also requires Australian governments
to display the same compassion and decency in doing what it can
to save lives that are in danger today."
Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 1:59:09 PM
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PART 1
The following are all quotes from the link provided by Lexi that prove the refugees are ECONOMIC refugees.

1)Quote. "the 60-year-old Hazara farmer He spent 13 years in Iran before embarking on the trip to Australia. He had to leave his wife, two daughters and four sons behind in Iran." ** Note he was safe in Iran.**

2)Quote. "Hamad is older and has lived in Iran for most of his life. He travelled to Indonesia via Turkey, where his family is now living." ** Note he was safe in Turkey.**

3)Quote. “It is difficult for us to afford our lives in Indonesia,” they said. Abdul told us that people develop psychological problems because life is so meaningless. ** They want to come to Australia because we give them money Indonesia do not **

4)Quote. "His damning assessment highlighted the lack of engagement the Hazaras have with the country that has given them protection. Australia is the prize". ** Note he was safe just wants a better life **

5)Quote. "I don’t have a lot of money and I have to send money to my family. There is no work here." ** If that is not an economic refugee I don't know what is. **

6)Quote. "We heard several stories about police officers and prison guards demanding money, sometimes as much as $4000." ** Safe problem was police corruption **

7)Quote. "They estimated only 10-15% of the Hazara asylum seekers in Cisarua were travelling in family groups and that there are very few women. All the rest are single men." ** To me this indicates the family are in Iran, Turkey or another safe country, just waiting for the family reunion documents **

Here is the link originally supplied by Lexi.
http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/02/13/inside-australias-waiting-room-why-they-board-boats-in-indonesia/?wpmp-switcher=mobile

For the sake of Poirot Capitals can be used to emphasize something it does not always mean shouting except to simple minded people.
Posted by Philip S, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 2:11:15 PM
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PART 2
With these quotes they complain about the conditions (note no riots) BUT when put in the same situation but better conditions they riot and cause millions of dollars damage.
1)Quote. “One year I’ve been living here. It’s not a camp, it’s a jail.”

2)Quote. "The bathroom is no good. All the time it is wet … we have to sleep on the floor."

The following quote even though they are not in Australia the Australian taxpayer is partially supporting some of them.

1)Quote. "officially recognised as refugees and receive a small amount of support from the IOM, which is in part funded by the Australian government."

Poirot, LEXI and Suseonline I have shown that you have all been duped by these so-called-refugees but you still can not accept the truth or disprove what I have stated.
Posted by Philip S, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 2:12:14 PM
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Why on earth would anyone want to escape conditions that
entail raw sewerage flowing into overcrowded rooms,
no medical aid, beatings, overcrowding, corrupt police
and officials, people lying on floors? Why would anyone
riot just because they're kept in detention indefinitely under
the most appalling conditions?
Especially people like the Hazaras
should stay in their "safe" countries like Iran, Pakistan,
Afghanistan, and
not fear systematic discrimination, ethnic cleansing
and genocide.

And as for us?
why all we need do is rip up the documents
that we've signed and we can do what we want.
Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 2:32:34 PM
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Philip S,

Don't take me for a dill.

Capitals employed for the odd word here and there are one thing. Repeatedly posting sentence long tirades in capitals "is" shouting.

(Note I emphasised "is" in inverted commas. Online etiquette usually dictates that emphasis is displayed in this manner if italics aren't available)

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/italic
Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 3:02:37 PM
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