Yes. Well said praxidice!

Geoff of perth,
Good to get info from someone that has worked in that area.

Some years ago, I read an article that stated a number of illegals arrived in North Aus by light aircraft from Indonesia. They had been met by associates here and were on the way to Melbourne when an astute service station employee noticed the odd persons and notified authorities. I wonder how many times that has occured?

I understood most of the currency illegals carried was in US dollars.

Interesting to hear info from former workers.

Oh come on Cohenite, now you are being ridiculous!
Have a look at the last census.

Muslims account for only a tiny number of people in Australia.
How can they commit more violence than all other people in Australia?

It is you who is lying...

Your comment Suse is egregious because elsewhere on this thread I have distinguisged between individual acts of violence (against women) and systemic, that is within a group, violence which is advocated by that group.

The latter applies to islam; of course, collectively, all the individual acts of violence exceed the violence committed by and advocated by islam but that is not the point.

Islam has an antithetical value system to the West and has the 'runs on the board' in backing up its program of implementing its value system with violence.

I don't understand why that simple fact causes so much logic-bending and irrational positions from the left.

Western democracy cannot be forced on anyone; why it can do is prevent other value systems from usurping the rights offered by the Western model. Currently islam is attempting to usurp the Western system from within in classic Cuckoo fashion.

But I can see for discussion purposes we have to take baby steps; do you think women have equality within islam?

Violence / criminal activity on the part of islamics doesn't rate as a major concern of mine, however their extremely high birthrate compared with Australians as a whole certainly does warrant consideration. Even a small population can rapidly increase to the point where they can demand changes unfavourable to the established culture eg sharia law. We've already seen demands for special identification provisions for islamic females. Whether this means we should review islamic migration is another question. I was impressed to see cooperation between CDP & islamics in relation to the proposed homosexual marriage referendum so its not all a hopeless case. That said, now is the time to take stock of potential changes likely should we end up with significant islamic population and to take whatever steps necessary. It cannot be left to bloodsucking parasite politicians.

Of course there are going to be people who will
exploit the system. There will be people who
will be seeking not to save themselves or their
families from persecution but people who want to
merely "trade up" countries. This is unfortunate
not only for us, but for the millions of genuinely
oppressed or dispossed refugees worldwide, and most
especially the thousands whom we're forced to say no
to because our intake quota is filled by recent boat
arrivals, some of whom appear to be of dubious
authenticity.

We've seen recently that just the prospect of being sent
to Nauru has seen many Sri Lankan boatpeople suddenly
decide that life is not so bad back home after all and
they've opted to repatriate. Unlikely behaviour from
anyone genuinely in fear of their life.

However, this should not in any way tar every asylum seeker
or refugee and labels like, "economic refugees," or
"illegal immigrants," have to be proven before being
assigned to any particular group.

One of the links that I provided in my earlier post dealt
with the Hazaras who fled Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan,
and found themselves in Indonesia. They were people
escaping from systematic discrimination,
ethnic cleansing, and genocide. The conditions in
Indonesia were appalling. And included raw sewerage flowing
into overcrowded rooms, no medical aid, beatings,corrupt
police and officials,
people lying on floors and so on. Thousands of Hazaras have
fled to Europe and Australia to escape this oppression.
And onyone who brushes these people aside as "economic
refugees," and considers that they can live "safely" in
Indonesia - needs to do a bit more research.

As I stated earlier - yes, there are people who will exploit
any system - as we all know there are many in this country
that do so with our welfare services. But this doesn't mean that
we shouldn't help those who are genuinely vulnerable and in
need of our help.