>>mind bending fluoride<<

Well this is a new one :)

Enlighten me Old Bob: exactly what psychotropic effects do you imagine fluoridated water to have? And more importantly: will a foil thought-protection helmet provide adequate safeguard against these effects?

Cheers,

Tony

NO! This toxic super phosphate fertiliser bi-product (not joking) is not acceptable in my drinking water.

Nobody forces you to drink tap water. Therefore not forced medication. I wonder if there are any conspiracy theories these people don't believe? Must be a scary and confusing world for them.

Jon J, you sound like just one more deluded dentist who hasn't bothered to research the subject properly. The fact is that most dentists know very little about toxicology, and when they pretend they do they make fools of themselves.

Wm Trevor wrote "isn't it a molecule, not a chemical?" Molecules ARE chemicals, genius. Hexafluorosilicic acid, sodium hexafluorosilicate, and sodium fluoride are all molecules, except that they dissociate in water. The free fluoride ions which are released are also a chemical, but not molecules because they are not chemically bound to anything.

Arjay, there is very little evidence that Hitler used fluoride on the Jews.

Rhrosty, calcium fluoride does occur in nature, but it isn't the only natural form of fluoride. Calcium fluoride is also toxic, albeit to a lesser extent than sodium fluoride and silicofluorides, and it is not essential in cell development/renewal. No form of fluoride is required for human health. These days, industrial grade hexafluorosilicic acid and sodium hexafluorosilicate from the wet scrubbers of phosphate fertiliser factories are mostly used for artificial water fluoridation.

Suseonline and Atman, what you have written is anti-intellectual twaddle. Determining the consequences of fluoride ingestion, and potentially skin absorption, requires well-designed scientific research, as was the case with smoking. Enough research has been known to know that the benefits of fluoridation are small or non-existent. There has also been enough research to know that the negative health consequences are considerable, but not enough to accurately gauge their magnitude.

Shadow Minister, being lectured to by complete ignoramuses like you is par for the course in this debate. You evidently haven't grasped basic logic, haven't bothered to research the subject, and don't understand the difference between concentration and dose, or the difference between acute toxicity and chronic toxicity, or the concept of chemical sensitivity. Rates of tooth decay have fallen dramatically over the past several decades throughout the developed world, with or without fluoridation. Fluoridation hasn't been in place long enough to know its impact on longevity, and death is not the only serious adverse health effect.

Ralph Bennett, yes, apparently you are a "no brainer for floride [sic]".

Tony Lavis, there are some major problems with your comparison between sodium fluoride and capsaicin. Fluoride accumulates in the body continuously over a person's lifetime, unless the rate of intake substantially declines, unlike capsaicin. Some people are sensitive to capsaicin, and some are sensitive to fluoride. I happen to be sensitive to both, which is probably not just a coincidence. Capsaicin activates the TRPV1 receptor and ion channel, which is what causes the burning sensation, and fluoride sensitises TRPV1. I can easily choose to avoid capsaicin, but avoiding fluoride via water fluoridation is extremely difficult.

Stezza, apparently ignorance is bliss for you.

WEST, Texas. Yesterday a horific accident occurred at a Fertiliser Industry in this small town in America. ABC radio this morning were speaking with the local Fire Fighting people. This company had been storing drums of chemicals for 50 years. What did these drums contain?
A Melbourne Fire Brigade spokesman said that ammonia mixed with oxygen can cause this sort of fire. He was asked where was fertiliser made in Australia, he answered very carefully about how it is usually shipped in; Red Symonds asked him were there any fertiliser companies he knew of. No. Not one mention of Incitec Pivot in Geelong. or Orica once their parent company. So you see folks everyone is dodging the facts. The answer you will be given if you ask about "hydrofluorosilicic acid" will be, we cannot store it -therefore we need to put it in the water supplies, where it is safe and effective for dental benefit. It is time we questionned why we need to dose ourselves with China's rubbish, Belgium's rubbish, whilst Dentists and Medicos are not taught in University just what it is we are ingesting. Time to question, perhaps we should all write to Incitec Pivot at North Shore 3215. Also ask how "hydrofluorosilicic acid" is made - in the smokestacks of the fertiliser industry, scrubbed down and mixed with water. Then dumped in our tap water. Also those of you pro. also ask how it is handled, is it volatile, etc. you may be surprised. HAZCHEM suits come to mind and special trucks for transport.