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Should we force fluoride? : Comments

By Emily McAuliffe, published 18/4/2013

Fluoridation is the perfect example of an ethical dilemma, as there are convincing advocates for and against. How do we know who to believe?

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Arjay, the people in our Governments live in our society too, so I doubt they would be likely to 'poison' themselves and their families.

Fluoride has been in our water supply long enough to show it's benefits outweigh any problems...if there are any.

Google dental cavities and see which side effects you would prefer...
Posted by Suseonline, Thursday, 18 April 2013 1:07:56 PM
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Well said suseonline, and hello flat earth society members.

And aussiedavo - humblest apologies for my egregious TYPO of 'publich'

That is not a spelling error, if you don't know the difference then I won't bother trying to enlighten you. And if that depresses you, then I am not sure how you get out of bed each day, frankly.
Posted by stickman, Thursday, 18 April 2013 3:17:07 PM
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The fluoridation of our water over the past few decades has corresponded with a lowering of the rate of tooth decay and the increase in longevity.

As far as sodium fluoride being a poison, the answer is that every chemical is poisonous if a sufficient dose is given. However, at the quantities contained in water, there is no evidence of any adverse effects, but plenty of evidence of benefits.

The anti Fluoridation campaign is brought to us by the same idiots that are bringing back previously endangered diseases such as whooping cough.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 18 April 2013 3:20:04 PM
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Dennis Stevenson, a former Parliamentarian and Member of the ACT Legislative Assembly Fluoridation Inquiry (1989-91). The majority of inquiry members would not report the scientific, medical, dental and court evidence received in worldwide submissions proving that fluoridation causes disease, deaths, tooth decay and is useless and environmentally destructive. Dennis put this evidence in a 177 page Dissenting Report, part of this major government report, but longer than the 131 page section which attempted to suppress the evidence.

For over 100 years, science and medicine have understood the poisonous nature of fluoride. In the 1930's and 40's, giant US companies, e.g. ALCOA, were sued for millions of dollars due to toxic fluoride waste escaping from factory smokestacks killing crops and livestock. ALCOA's owners (Mellon) figured that if people could be persuaded fluoride isn't poisonous but is good for teeth, profits could be protected. So, to introduce water fluoridation, they hired the brilliant 'father of propaganda' Edward L. Bernays. Joined later by other fluoride polluting industries (e.g. nuclear) and the multi-billion dollar sugar, toothpaste, confectionary and soft drink industries, they became strong financial supporters of dental associations that promoted fluoridation. One such support group, the Dental Health Education & Research Foundation (DHERF) was founded in Australia in 1962. Its Governors, Members and donors comprised key representatives from Coca-Cola, CSR, Kelloggs, Colgate-Palmolive, Wrigleys, Arnotts, Scanlens, Cadbury Schweppes, etc.
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/33574

EPA has more than enough evidence to shut down fluoridation right now. (Dr. Robert Carton)
Fluoridation, says former EPA senior scientist Robert J. Carton, PhD, presents unacceptable risks to public health, and the government cannot prove its claims of safety. When this man talks of fluoridation dangers, it is time to listen. I am pleased to present the following exclusive interview, in edited form, with this outspoken EPA dissenter.
http://www.doctoryourself.com/carton.html
Dr. Carton in Fluoridegate - Fluoridegate  - The Film - http://youtu.be/zpw5fGt4UvI 

In point of fact, fluorine causes more human cancer death, and causes it faster, than any other chemical. Dr. Dean Burk, PhD, former chief of cytochemistry at the U.S. National Cancer Institute for thirty years.       
Posted by Diane Drayton Buckland, Thursday, 18 April 2013 3:26:43 PM
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Just having a quick look at the evidence it appears that fluoride in the water probably does have some benefits for the teeth, but not a huge amount. Furthermore the same or better results are achieved through fluoride in toothpaste.
Given that tooth decay is seldom fatal, i don't see why anyone should have the right to force me to take it.
Even if it is quite beneficial, this still doesn't justify forcing the entire population to take a medication.
For those that would defer the decision to dentists, that's fine. You can add fluoride to your own water. I myself am far more sceptical about the omniscience of any of the medical professions. Whilst these people may have trained extensively, like the medical profession, much of the training is based on handing down the orthodox views of the profession, which may or may not be correct. Once a belief becomes orthodox, it takes an enormous amount of evidence to have it overturned
Posted by Rhys Jones, Thursday, 18 April 2013 4:18:51 PM
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NOT SAFE NOT EFFECTIVE
Tasmania longest fluoridated/polluted State of Australia - first fluoride polluted in 1953 worst dental health and in crisis high saturation rate of fluoridation (hazardous waste pollutants) - 27th February, 2013 - Tasmania will receive an extra $12 million from the Federal Government to reduce public dental waiting lists. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-27/extra-dental-dollars-to-reduce-waiting-lists/4542450?section=tas

Australia wide is in dental crisis despite this widespread high percentage fluoridation saturation Australia wide for decades & USA also in dental crisis after 67 years of water fluoridation/pollution.

DENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM IN DECAY
Dr Deborah Cole is chief executive officer of Dental Health Services Victoria. http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/a-system-in-decay-20120107-1ppd0.html

REPORT WARNS $10B NEEDED TO FIX DENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM February 28, 2012 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-28/national-dental-health-opens-denticare-debate/3856134

Note Tasmania first fluoridated in 1953 POOR ORAL HEALTH PUTTING HOSPITALS UNDER PRESSURE – TASMANIA
BY JODIE STEPHENS 26 Feb, 2012
http://www.examiner.com.au/story/431159/poor-oral-health-putting-hospitals-under-pressure/

NSW 96% 'FLUORIDATED' - Sydney since 1968 DENTAL CRISIS EXPOSES GREAT DIVIDE By Jonathan Pearlman and Gerard Ryle February 15, 2005
Public dental health in NSW is in a state of serious neglect, with some patients waiting eight years for attention and the number of children needing hospital treatment doubling over the past decade.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Health/Dental-crisis-exposes-great-divide/2005/02/14/1108229934499.html

TUCSON STUDY FINDS FLUORIDE PROMOTES TOOTH DECAY ‐ 1992 http://afgen.com/fluoridation.html

INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE IN SOCIETY Science Society Sustainability
NO TO FLUORIDATION - 
DENTAL DISEASE INCREASES SIX‐FOLD BY FLUORIDATION http://www.i-sis.org.uk/NotoFluoridation.php

AUSTRALIAN DENTAL ASSOCIATION INC. POLICY STATEMENT
COMMUNITY ORAL HEALTH PROMOTION FLUORIDE USE
Extract: 2 Policy
. 2.1 Water Fluoridation The Australian Dental Association recommends :
2.1.5 That Governments must adopt water fluoridation as part of Health Policy and actively promote its introduction, where it is feasible, as a public health measure.

WHY DO THE ADA (& AMA) HAVE THE POLITICAL POWER TO CHRONICALLY POISON A NATION?? With decade$ of water fluoridation/pollution and we are in dental crisis, why do you think the ADA & their associate$/intere$t$ continue with this fraud?

The only answer EVER was to provide access to affordable dental health care services for all the population, not the disposal of hazardous waste pollutants and co-contaminants into our drinking water supplies also contaminating our food chain & environment.
Posted by Diane Drayton Buckland, Thursday, 18 April 2013 4:31:06 PM
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