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Your idea of just taking as many Islamic people into Australia would have the same effect. The Islamic Culture is incompatible with Western Culture. Some examples. There is a town in Victoria that has been taken to the UN because they refused to put a 2 metre high no see through fence around the Council swimming pool to shield the eyes of the local Muslims from the sight of “naked people.” They wanted 2 days a week set aside for Muslims only. One day for Men only & one for women & children only. The Council refused. In WA in the late 70’s a town voted in a Muslim majority Council. The first thing they did was close the Beaches, segregate the schools & the Council pool, and then they changed the names of the streets to Islamic names. The WA Government had to step in & disband the Council. Just look at the problems in Europe & the UK caused by the Cultural divide. Do you want that here?

You say I have no compassion. Yes I do, but it is tempered with the reality of what can & cannot be achieved peacefully within the confines of an Australian way of life. Other Culture have assimilated, even the Asians. Although most of them were Catholic or Buddhists. Buddhism isn’t strictly a religion. Asians made an effort to assimilate into Australian Culture. Muslims don’t & won’t, then slowly make demands to introduce Shari a Law into Australia. Do you want Australia to end up similar to the Countries from which they fled? Could you handle an Islamic way of life?
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LR4A: In the past we've depended on our ability to exploit other nations for our wealth & to build our defensive & aggressive strength. That has largely been the way of the world for millennia.
I assume that you are talking about the Old British Empire here. Well that has collapsed as has the rest of the European Powers. Australia has never been a Colonial Power & I can’t see us being one in the future. That style of Governance has long since seen it days in the West. Now the World has a new rising type of Colonial Power re-emerging. The Caliphate. Do you support having an Australian Caliphate?

LR4A: I wouldn’t be interested in a referendum because, whether it favoured your position or mine, the effect would be to create political division.

Strange that. Most people of your ilk profess the overwhelming majority of Australians demand an increase in acceptance of Illegal Immigrants & Boat people but when asked to put it to the test they baulk. Why is that? As for creating a divide. I don’t see that. Australia, being a democratic Country has to abide by the referendum & accept the decision of the majority of people.

LR4A: Oppressed, exploited people will not accept injustice or such vast inequality as is evident between “us & them”.

Just who is oppressing them, Australia, the UK, the US or Fellow Islamists? They are accepting injustice by their own Islamic people. They refuse to do anything about it & leave only to create problems for the people they flee to where-ever they go. Are these people not capable of creating their own wealth in their own country? After all they have most of the World’s richest families who live in numerous palaces & drive Gold & Silver plated 4X4’s.

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LR4A: I'll say that I think our security against global war is threatened by our 'me first' 'this is mine,

So, are you saying that these people who pay an average of $23000 to bribe people to illegally bring them across multiple boarders will wage War on Australia if we don’t let them turn Australia into a Caliphate?

Arr, do you mind answering my queries. You seem to ignore or deflect them, which seems to be the usual ploy of dedicated Islamists.

So you are happy to claim we are doing our “fair share” because we are 3rd? Why do you assume that the wealthy nations ahead of us are behaving fairly? “Fair” isn’t related to 1st 2nd or 3rd when all are miserley – fair, in my mind it is about justice. If someone is starving & you could help because you have 10 times more than you need, you don’t give them a crumb & say you are being “fair”. Do you realise that for every $100 you earn, you are giving 34c in aid. You are saying that’s “fair” because it is more than others give. That’s a very strange morality.

... dump Illegal immigrants into these gaps?
Heard of Schoenhauer’s 38 dishonest ways to argue – that is No3. Ignoring my proposition. I won’t play your game by repeating it. It is also No24 of the 38.

Be honest – this isn’t about any particular race of refugees – you would argue against ANY refugees of any culture who you though might require you to move over a bit. For you it’s about charity beginning at home and looking after our own. Raising “Aborigines” and “Muslim culture” is a red herring – see No18.

Re the cultural divide, my proposition would clearly incorporate people into the neighbourhood, not leave them isolated in enclaves within Australia, lonely and trapped in their own culture.
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Re exploitation – You obviously like to believe that exploitation stopped with the collapse of “the empire”. we exploit workers around the world and grab their land for our food & resources & leave them devastated & poisoned. Don’t you read the reports from agencies and humn rights watchers around the world? Our standard of living depends on exploitation in a big way.

The rich world exploits the poor world mercilessly. This is the war which is ahead if we keep going as we have been. If we treated the poor & the land, both ours & theirs, justly we would have to live very differently. If we lived justly their own economic & political masters would have far less incentive from kick backs to act as our agents in the market place. On our behalf they approve our mining leases & sell off their peoples’ traditional lands to multinationals to produce things we consumers want for next to nothing. That’s how they get their gold plated cars. We owe huge compensation & a fair go - & the crooks driving gold plated cars bought with kickbacks on deals with us should be brought to justice – but their greed doesn’t excuse ours.

In praising “democracy” you also seem to forget your own bitterness when your party loses a political competition. The way we do democracy breeds resentment & hatred, not the acceptance you pretend comes from majority decisions. Let’s don’t pretend “democracy” is “fair” – it’s just the guy with the biggest stick wins. The solution doesn’t rest in politics – voters aren’t going to vote for a lower standard of living. The solution lies in the prospect of a more secure and happier life through becoming a more compassionate people. I need to sign off on this now – I think we must disagree.

LR4A: we exploit workers around the world and grab their land for our food & resources & leave them devastated & poisoned.

At last common ground. I do believe that Multi-National Companies should be compelled by Law to act in 3rd. World Countries as they are compelled to act in their own. EG; Clean Rivers, re-a forestation, a pay system that pays equlivent to the local wage structure, etc. Religious & Do-Gooder Groups should be kept well away from native peoples. The land & the native people must be left without contact from the outside world of any description. See there are things we have in common. Religious conversion & the subsequent land theft is killing these people off.

LR4A: For you it’s about charity beginning at home and looking after our own.

Unashamedly, YES. We cannot even think about looking after other people if we cannot look after ourselves. We are not at the moment judging by the state of Australia’s Health & Education Systems. Our basic infrastructure, roads, rail, Air & Sea Ports are 3rd World standard.

LR4A: Heard of Schoenhauer’s 38 dishonest ways to argue – that is No3. Ignoring my proposition. I won’t play your game by repeating it. It is also No24 of the 38.

No I haven’t, but obviously you have, & are using it liberally in this debate. You have deflected all of my questions so far. Please answer the questions.

LR4A: you would argue against ANY refugees of any culture who you though might require you to move over a bit.

It’s not “a bit” I’m worried about. Sharia Law isn’t “a bit.” For me or any Australian for that matter, even for the previous set of immigrants.
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