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Lr4a :

1. We could "Send safe boats to pick them up!"

Why is it Australia's problem? These people are doing something that is against the Laws of Australia & Indonesia. They are coming from Indonesia & Australia has to save them. What!??

2. An idea I think has merit because of its sound triple bottom line foundations is to offer asylum seekers 15hrs/wk work developing public 'eco' housing & gardens in exchange for food, accommodation & a dollar adjustment up to the value of unemployment benefits.

Please explain why Australia should do this. These people have crossed multiple boarders carrying 10's of thousands of Dollars, by-passing perfectly good suitable Islamic Countries with similar cultures, to come to Australia a non-Islamic Country with a culture which is purely offensive to them. They have entered Australia, falsely claiming Asylum. (See the UN Charter on crossing Multiple Boarders.)

3. Asylum seeker policy is less about "orderly process" & more fundamentally about fear of sharing.
It’s not about sharing. Australia shares more than its fair share of Aid across the World. The problem is that Islam is incompatible with Western Culture & Values. These people flee their own Country because of the trouble & strife Islam is causing. They are coming here because we have a good way of life & they want to change it to mirror where they came from under an Islamic Caliph. Not on!
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Xin loi, I was forced into a 3 hour wait.
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4. Our unsustainable social economic environmental model is the underlying problem.

Exactly. The reason our Economy is unsustainable is because the money we need for Health, Education, Infrastructure, The homeless is being squandered needlessly on these illegal people & Overseas Aid that only benefits the CEO’s administering it.

5. This processing should be quick and efficient and take no more than three months.
Agreed. Proviso. Those people without Papers & Passports are to be returned immediately. Also they must explain , in detail, how much & to whom they paid to get on the boats. If they are unwilling to provide an explanation then they must be rejected.

3. A clear majority of Australian voters believe that asylum seekers should be "processed" in Australia.

This is bull dust. The Sooky la la groups keep pushing this line, but it’s not true. Do you think on having a referendum on that subject at the next election would be a good idea?

Basically, in your point 1. you ask Why is it Australia’s problem & why should Australia save them? In your point 2. again you ask Why we should do this. In your point 3. you claim we are already sharing more than our fair share, but I wonder about your genuineness implying by that that we might have any obligation at all to give any aid to anyone – after all you did say that it is “aid that is much needed for Australian’s health, school, infrastructure & homeless” … it’s aid that according to you is “wasted on these boat people” “ruining Australia”.

You say “charity begins at home and Australia MUST look after its own people first”. (Perhaps this means you would support a major expansion of public housing here then – go on, surprise me!)

I think it is very safe to conclude that you have only disdain for “sentiment and undying compassion”, so I won’t attempt to answer you by explaining why that is actually the very best reason for giving aid – you would never understand it. And I won’t address your point 3 at all because you are clearly so insincere about it, although I would love to know on what basis you pretend (given the above quotes) that you think Australia’s aid effort is anything remotely approaching “fair” already.
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Chris Baulman

Jayb Re your 1 & 2, I will just say why I think Australia should increase it’s aid & should expand its refugee intake. As to how this could be sustainable & harmonious I have already outlined in the NTW link. I wish I could appeal to your compassion, but you've ruled that out. So at the risk of encouraging selfish motives, which are quite contrary to the motive of compassion in which I believe, I'll say that I think our security against global war is threatened by our 'me first' 'this is mine, you can't have any' childishness.

In the past we've depended on our ability to exploit other nations for our wealth & to build our defensive & aggressive strength. That has largely been the way of the world for millennia – survival of the fittest - but it is unsustainable. Instead of bows &arrows or 303s, now every Tom Dick and Harry is getting nuclear capacity & it’s more important than ever to finally grow up & become fully human if we're to survive much longer. Fortunately that animal law is only one part of our nature as humans.

Oppressed, exploited people will not accept injustice or such vast inequality as is evident between “us & them”. We urgently need a new way for all of us to be able to enjoy a good life – a way that's not based on the competition which lies at the heart of “business” as usual, continually creating winners and losers & channeling wealth upwards (to us).

Ps – A referendum on this is not going to happen. In any event, I would'nt be interested in a referendum because, whether it favoured your position or mine, the effect would be to create political division & the same win/lose competition that I say we must avoid, if not for the sake of compassion for the poor, then for our selfish security’s sake. We need solutions that everyone can support or we'll have war, and we can no longer afford that (if indeed we ever could).

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Chris Baulman

My point 3. Aid above our fair share. Yes we do. Australia, according to a recent report is the 8th. richest Nation but we rank 3rd. in the World for Aid. Australia has only a small population from which to draw its revenue from. It is an extremely large country with huge distances between cities therefore our infrastructure cost is extremely high.

Should we just dump Illegal immigrants & Boat People into these gaps? No. It just wouldn’t & doesn’t work. This has been tried.
In the 60’s the Government closed many of the outback Aboriginal Tribes & moved them, lock, stock & barrel, to the coast. These people had no idea about electricity, toilets, houses, community living, & the ocean. The Government brought up many housed in Ayr (one town) then moved these people in & left them. Soon people started seeing fires under the houses & legs. What had happened is that the electricity had been cut off because they couldn’t or didn’t pay. (Some couldn’t speak English) so they just tore up the floor & wall boards & burnt them to cook their food. There were fights on every street corner every night with the local Murris (Let me explain the difference between Murries & Burries) Murries are Islander, sons of Kanakas, or Murry Islanders. Burries come from the Bush, inland. The problem still isn’t solved to this day. The children of the Burries & now the children of the Murries are causing the unrest, (drunkenness, break & enters, fighting & fornicating in the streets) Don’t say it doesn’t happen. I have witnesse4d it day after day when I lived in Townsville.
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