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Palestine: reunification trumps confederation : Comments

By David Singer, published 28/12/2012

The two-state solution to the Jewish-Arab conflict proposed under the Oslo Accords and the Bush Roadmap is rapidly turning out to be nothing but a mirage.

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For those so-called pro-Palestinian supporters here, I suggest they read the following two articles from which I have drawn significant passages.

Jordan Is Palestinian by Mudar Zahran
http://www.meforum.org/3121/jordan-is-palestinian

Mudar Zahran is a Jordanian-Palestinian writer who resides in the United Kingdom as a political refugee. He served as an economic specialist and assistant to the policy coordinator at the U.S. Embassy in Amman before moving to the U.K. In 2010.)

“The U.S. State Department estimates that Palestinians make up "more than half" of Jordanians. ("Jordan: Country Reports on Human Rights Practices, 2001," Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor, U.S. Department of State, Mar. 4, 2002.)

A 2007 report, written in cooperation with several Jordanian government bodies, the London-based Oxford Business Group stated that at least two thirds of Jordan's population were of Palestinian origin. (The Report: Emerging Jordan 2007," Oxford Business Group, London, Apr. 2007.)

Palestinians make up the majority of the population of Jordan's two largest cities, Amman and Zarqa.”

and

Arab Spring and the Israeli enemy
Abdulateef Al-Mulhim (
Abdulateef Al-Mulhim is commodore (Retd.), Royal Saudi Navy.)
Saturday 6 October 2012
http://www.arabnews.com/arab-spring-and-israeli-enemy

“Finally, if many of the Arab states are in such disarray, then what happened to the Arabs’ sworn enemy (Israel)? Israel now has the most advanced research facilities, top universities and advanced infrastructure.

Many Arabs don’t know that the life expectancy of the Palestinians living in Israel is far longer than many Arab states and they enjoy far better political and social freedom than many of their Arab brothers.

Even the Palestinians living under Israeli occupation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip enjoy more political and social rights than some places in the Arab World. Wasn’t one of the judges who sent a former Israeli president to jail is an Israeli-Palestinian?

The Arab Spring showed the world that the Palestinians are happier and in better situation than their Arab brothers who fought to liberate them from the Israelis. Now, it is time to stop the hatred and wars and start to create better living conditions for the future Arab generations.”
Posted by Danielle, Monday, 31 December 2012 11:38:19 AM
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I understand how easy it is to overlook anyone commenting on three basic issues of fact that I put to you.

So here they are again for your comment:

1. There are no 1967 borders - only armistice lines

2. Security Council Resolution 242 is the only binding United Nations Resolution dealing with resolving the conflict

3. Resolution 242 does not require Israel to withdraw from all the territory it won from Jordan in the 1967 Six Day War

Is anyone prepared to disagree with these three statements and give his reasons why?

Please no more bile.

You demean yourselves.
Posted by david singer, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 5:29:55 PM
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No argument from me David

Resolution 242 is the foundation for “a just and lasting peace.”

It calls for a negotiated solution based on “secure and recognised boundaries,” and it recognises the flaws in Israel’s previous temporary borders by not calling upon Israel to withdraw from ‘all occupied territories,’ but rather “from territories occupied.”

Resolution 242 acknowledges the need for Arab states to recognise Israel’s right to exist and to end their anti-Israeli aggressively hostile nature.

It recognises Israel’s right to live in peace “with secure and recognised boundaries free from threats or acts of force.”
Posted by SF, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 5:51:55 PM
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<<1. There are no 1967 borders - only armistice lines>

<<Is anyone prepared to disagree with these three statements and give his reasons why?>>

Pictures speak louder than words - I saw these:
http://www.tog.co.il/Data/News/news360R.jpg
hundreds of these, with mine own eyes all around the perimeter of pre-1967 Jerusalem, not a single "Stop armistice line ahead".
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 9:28:19 PM
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To #SF

Thank you for your acknowledgement and confirmation.

To #Yuyutsu

You need to read the Israel-Jordan Armistice Agreement April 3, 1949 and also the 1994 Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty.

These words count far more than photos
Posted by david singer, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 11:31:40 PM
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<<These words count far more than photos>>

This is not just a photo - these are real metal signs I've seen with my own eyes.

The significance of those signs is that Israel accepted the armistice line as its border. That acceptance may perhaps have occurred somewhat after the signing of the armistice treaty, but eventually it did.

As Israel was happy with this border then, there is no valid reason why it shouldn't be content with it now!

<<3. Resolution 242 does not require Israel to withdraw from all the territory it won from Jordan in the 1967 Six Day War>>

True, but the only sense in which Israel 'won' this territory is in the sense one 'wins' a venereal disease. Indeed, why should the world care about Israel's health if it doesn't care for its own?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 11:51:29 PM
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