and as is usual nobody talks about ocean currents, cloud formation and cosmic rays.

especially you warmair and those 'hundreds of scientists that took part in the climate review undertaken by the IPCC'.

All of whom also refuse to acknowledge the proven historical scientific fact co2 concentrations increase after warming takes place.

doh...why do I ever bother with the imbecilic rantings and crap from the IPCC mob?

Rhosty

don't believe the crap about Artic ice cap melting.

I intend to undertake a sailing east west traverse of the famed North West passage. Apparently I have a window of 4 weeks.

Now Ranald Amusden did a motor driven west east traverse against the prevailing weather in 1901. Now listen carefully ...

he had an 8 week window.

oops somethings not in kilter here ... is it? What do you think? Is the ice receding more now than in 1901 or less now than in 1901?

So much refutable crap from the warmists ... eh?

imajulianutter,

A little more on the issue of the lag:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=13

I'm a proud climate sceptic and my main gripe is that I cannot see how anyone can make a logical and rational decision when much of the info is passed through the distorting eye of the media.

I believe we should reduce carbon emissions as part of a general precautionary principle but this is not a popular path to take. On one side it's not enough and on the other, it's akin to treason.

What I do find surprising on OLO is the amount of hostility by pro-environment groups to almost any form of alternative/renewable energy. Why is that?

Which do you think will happen first: the end of the world via nuclear war or the end of the world via global warming?

Humans are fixated on the bear trying to break down the door and don't see the poisonous imperial snake behind them.

David G - "Which do you think will happen first: the end of the world via nuclear war or the end of the world via global warming?"

Goodness gracious me Mr G - neither.

Both are figments of the irrational minds of guilt ridden lefties, who wish like hell that something shockingly bad will happen to everybody to punish them for being a part of humanity. When will these people ever get over their insane concept that the world is going to end?

We're doomed! We're all doomed!

Where do they come from?

Yes, of course, the educational institutions.