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Mayans and the end of the world : Comments

By Malcolm King, published 11/12/2012

Neither side of the global warming ‘debate’ has been well served by the media.

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spindoc,
You say,
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“No, I’m saying the exact opposite. I would not fly in a passenger jet that was built on consensus, I do not support any scientific “predictions” built on socialized science. It matters not if those scientists have a “modicum of expertise” of even a great deal of expertise. If they cannot offer proof they must demonstrate they are searching for it.”
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I suggest you give up flying immediately. Planes are built by a process of consensus. First the principles of flight were built up over the first part of the 20th century by consensus. Secondly the the engineering principles relating to building a safe aircraft are the the result of consensus of numerous groups. Finally all the work on an aircraft is checked that by at least two people that it meets the consensus on what is the accepted standard.

Some 35 years ago it was calculated what the effects of adding extra CO2 to the atmosphere would likely be. Those predictions have since come to pass. It is simply impossible to deny although some still persist in trying to do so. It is sad that so many people chose to ignore the warnings of the scientists.
http://io9.com/5899907/1981-climate-change-predictions-were-eerily-accurate

The scientists tell us that if you double the amount of CO2 in the air the surface temperatures will eventually rise by around 3c degrees. The most that we can reasonable adapt to is an increase of 2 Deg C, and that is expected to occur when co2 levels reach 450 parts per million in the atmosphere. At the current rate of emissions we will reach that figure in less than 30 years. This means that if we do not start now on creating a low carbon economy we will be in very serious strife.
Posted by warmair, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 1:50:55 PM
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A bit of common sense, please.

As mac correctly points out...

>>...to the Maya, December 21 is simply the end of a long (calendar) count<<

And what do you do when a calendar runs out?

You buy a new one.

Simples.
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 2:03:57 PM
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>>And what do you do when a calendar runs out?<<

You party like it's 1999. From wikipedia:

>>Sandra Noble, executive director of the Mesoamerican research organization Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies, Inc. (FAMSI), notes that "for the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of a whole cycle". She considers the portrayal of December 2012 as a doomsday or cosmic-shift event to be "a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in."<<

Cheers,

Tony
Posted by Tony Lavis, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 2:35:40 PM
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warmair says:

"Some 35 years ago it was calculated what the effects of adding extra CO2 to the atmosphere would likely be. Those predictions have since come to pass. It is simply impossible to deny although some still persist in trying to do so. It is sad that so many people chose to ignore the warnings of the scientists."

Complete and utter garbage; first, they are not scientists but advocates; for instance Matthew England:

http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/agw-more-lies-professor-england-and-abc.html

I mean if they're not going to get something as basic as this right then anything else is beyond them.

CO2 simply cannot do what AGW demands it do; Beers Law, Hottel's principles, negative feedbacks, Maximum Entropy production etc; there are a host of proven physical processes and laws which repudiate the 'science' of AGW which is nothing more than tainted models. But none of that is going to change the 'minds' of suckers like warmair.
Posted by cohenite, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 2:38:25 PM
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Warmair what garbage.

Even the ratbags at the IPCC have claimed that if you double the CO2, you increase the temperature by 0.7c. They have been unable to actually prove this, but no matter.

What they then claim, in an attempt to get a scary enough scenario is that this will generate more water vapor in t6he air, & this water vapor will then increase the temperature further, their positive feed back myth. This is one of their tipping points.

Unfortunately for them, any real research conducted on water vapor increase all tells us that it is a negative feed back, & cools the atmosphere, bringing all back to the starting point.

I know it is hard to grow up, when that means turning your back on a much loved religion, but you must try
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 2:43:29 PM
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Tony Lavis,

Those people partying on New Year's eve 1999 thinking that they were celebrating the end of the 20th century were a year early. The Maya would have been appalled!
Posted by mac, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 2:48:50 PM
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