Good protest about the sad state of men. I have belonged to many mens' groups, and sad to say their apathy is increasing..The fact that most men are passed from mother to wife doesn't help.
So many never before occuring events happened after WW2 ,that male social control over women was knocked for six. Any attempt to rectify will be difficult because from my experience society is controlled by about 30% alpha women and 20% high performing males.
It seems we have our fellowmen as"enemies".

Poirot,
Again, I'm not really interested in your critique of my take on what defines a real man or whether you find my opinions over the top or not since there's no honest reason for me to care what critical women think of men.
Example,real women aren't overcome with insecurity when at parties the men are all out in the yard in a group around the barbecue and the women are inside curled up in the lounge while the babies play on the floor, are you one of those anxiety riddled women who always has to come outside and make some tepid crack about "Secret Men's Business" or "the smell of Testosterone in the air"?
We puff out our chests and slap each other on the back because testosterone is the bonding agent, the matrix of a group of men, teamwork and trust come from testosterone and because real men are often, as Hasbeen points out "Doing things" that male group dynamic, the Mannerbund is critical. Taking a small boat out on the bay is dangerous, so is re- roofing a house or digging a trench, teamwork, trust, honour, honesty and competence are of paramount importance to men because, unlike women we regularly have to put our safety on the line to achieve our objectives...it's not something I expect a woman to understand and the women who do get it and can be part of the war band are one in a million.

Jay,

I really don't have a problem with men doing their own thing, as in cooking a barbecue as a band of brothers or what not. I'm aware that you guys are heroes daily. Why, not so long ago I regaled a story about my fella wrangling my daughter's garage door onto her back lawn in 120 km winds to stop it whipping and damaging. I was amazed at his bravery and presence of mind, because he managed to do it without putting himself in grave danger.

But when you mention things like "...and the women who do get it and can be part of the war band are one in a million.", that's when I think you're stuck in a time warp - maybe back in primary school vetting who can or cannot join your club.

Good luck with that.

Poirot, you still just don't understand. Contributors here know more about me than people I have known for 20 years.

Here we all often illustrate our points by mentioning our experiences. When for example 8 years of my life was spent on my yacht, working around the pacific islands, of course it will come up in the basis of my opinions. This does not happen in every day living.

For example, at my wife's 50Th birthday party, many years ago, the subject got to old sports cars. I mentioned that they were cold, & an experience when I'd owned a Morgan +4. Many did not know what a Morgan was, so I got an old album out, with pics of the Morgan. It was mostly motor racing, & included shots of my Lotus & Brabham formula 2 cars.

The blokes were amazed at this, they knew me as a horseman who went show jumping with his kids, & drove an old Hilux.

On another occasion some locals were surprised to find out about my sailing. Some were impressed, but if I had been talking to some of the dozens of round world sailors I've known, they would not be the least impressed.

I am incredibly impressed by one mate, who has built the most beautiful furniture for his home. I'm also very impressed by another who has built a really nice 24Ft launch to go fishing. I know I could never do either myself.

To go sail a thousand miles, or do a thousand kilometers around Bathurst doesn't impress me very much. You see I've done it, it's not too hard, & it is simply "old hat" to me. It's the things I can't do that impress me.

Well perhaps I've been a bit hard on you, Hasbeen. This is a singular way of communicating, and sometimes we need to include references to our experiences and little triumphs.

Quote-- Anyone who knows anything of history knows that great
social changes are impossible without feminine upheaval.
Social progress can be measured, exactly, by the social position of the fair sex, the ugly ones included.

Karl Marx