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The worst and the best of mankind : Comments

By Vic Alhadeff, published 5/9/2012

The episode involved almost one-third of the 42,000 French Jews sent to the death camps in 1942. A total of 76,000 were deported; 2500 survived.

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Graham, let me rephrase that post,
Vic Alhadeff represents himself in public as a spokesperson for the Jewish people of New South Wales, he was democratically elected by that community to represent their interests and views, in this article he has chosen to take a stance against European Nationalism on the basis that it MIGHT tend toward Anti Semitism. It's my personal opinion that he is promoting the idea that because he believes there is a possibility that European Nationalism may lead to anti Semitism that it is a threat to the people of Europe as a whole, I disagree with the notion that because the views of some European Nationalists are portrayed by their detractors as "Nazi" that they are a threat to Europe's stability.
Furthermore I refute the idea that movements far distant in time, material circumstances and political outlook from the Fascists of the 1930's can be "Nazi". A segue implying a link between them and incidents such as those which allegedly occurred in the Velodrome and elsewhere is, in a word "dirty pool" since the named organisations refute any "Nazi" sympathies and style themselves after European patriots who resisted the totalitarian regimes of the past.
The opinions of a critic of European Nationalists require a response from a White Australian Nationalist who is sympathetic to their political aims , Vic is quick to jump to the defence of his ethnic group, it's allies and sympathisers and he's proven himself to be a resilient debater when confronted by radically different viewpoints, If he's offered his comments in good faith I'd trust that he'd be able to read mine in the same spirit.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Thursday, 6 September 2012 4:15:26 PM
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Anti Semitism is a reality for some european Jews, but come on, can we seriously believe that a Jewish cultural centre in Malmo is being fortified against Nationalists?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzLECtFT4aU
Nationalists do not have a reputation for violence against Jews in this era, on the contrary, in the post 2001 world there has been considerable crossover between Jewish and Nationalist activists on the question of non White immigration to Europe.
No European Nationalist with whom I correspond would be seen dead wearing a Swastika and they are dead set against totalitarianism, the more nervous commenters here need to get to grips with the fact that these buffoons who do parade about in costume giving roman salutes are doing it simply to shock and offend.....because like all exhibitionists they like to shock people and make a spectacle of themselves.
There are Maori bikies getting around sporting Swastikas, there is a "Fourth Reich" M.C which has no political links and is a common street gang, just because a demented costume party freak turns up at a legitimate political event doesn't mean that he's anything other than what he appears to be.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Thursday, 6 September 2012 4:42:04 PM
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Jay

Your most recent post appears more moderate than your earlier ones, but that because it seems to contradict them. You said earlier:

“Radical Jewish activists purposely set out to destroy every promising Nationalist group which forms in a majority European country…. this is why they are roundly hated by Nationalists and why as a result the whole Jewish diaspora is held accountable and the reason why this tit-for-tat violence occasionally occurs between Jews and Nationalists”

Is this compatible with:

“Nationalists do not have a reputation for violence against Jews in this era”
Posted by Rhian, Thursday, 6 September 2012 7:00:38 PM
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Rhian, yes it is a consistent train of thought , modern Nationalists and Patriots are not known for victimising Jews simply because they are Jewish, and individual Jews and Jewish organisations (ADL,SPLC, Searchlight etc) do specifically target Nationalists and their organisations for destruction, these are facts. Violence between Jews and their supporters and Nationalists and their supporters does occur, when Jews take one side or another it often leads to a misconception of bias by that whole ethnic group. It is true that radical Jewish activists. particularly those allied with ANTIFA and ARA are hated by radical Nationalist activists and vice versa depending on which side of a given issue they both find themselves on, You'd also be aware that both sides routinely use violence to settle their differences and that ANTIFA groups are supported by activists and organisations whose sole "issue" is battling AntiSemitism.
For example, the friction between pro Israel and Pro Palestinain activists, we've seen groups like the Aryan Guard in Calgary marching in the Pro Palestinian rallies alongside Leftists, some of whom were Jewish or Arabic. Then in the Max Brenner protests we've seen groups like the APDM, Australian Tea Party and APP siding with pro Israel demonstrators against Leftists and Anarchists. The EDL has a Jewish wing, UAF who oppose them also have Jews in their ranks.
There is no "Neo Nazi" group worth commenting upon, they're wingnuts, outsiders and movement Pariahs, similarly there is no " Zionist" group to be overly concerned about.
In it's present form European Nationalism seeks "people like us", fellow travellers, the BNP, FN etc have a broad range of followers and sympathisers.
The only question is, as ever "Which side are you on?", we both know where we stand right?
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Thursday, 6 September 2012 8:49:19 PM
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Rhian,
One final point, you and I both know that both sides, Nationalists and Globalists take their positions very seriously, that the green haired Anarchist and the Skinhead are just wannabes, scenesters and hobbyists. Vic Alhadeff is a serious player, his words have weight and though I vehemently disagree with his views and the way he's structured his article I don't dismiss him or try to belittle his work or underestimate the level of support he enjoys.
He takes Nationalism very seriously, I take Anti Nationalism (or Globalism) equally seriously, as I said, it's two sides both waging what they see as a war of absolutes, an existential struggle.
Anti Semitism was not the root cause of WW2, it won't be a factor in what's unfolding in Europe and it's outposts today, people can laugh and call Nationalists "Nazis" but that just highlights their ignorance and they need to realise that they are going to have to choose a side or be caught in the middle.
As a well known Nationalist song says "People to the Left. People to the right. People in the middle that don't want to fight. Traitors fight against us, it's a showdown. People in the middle get knocked down"
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Thursday, 6 September 2012 9:12:38 PM
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Jay,

So you argue that nationalists don’t victimise Jews just because they are Jewish, but rather in retaliation for the fact that some “radical” Jews oppose their ideology. You say, “When Jews take one side or another it often leads to a misconception of bias by that whole ethnic group.” At least you admit that it is a misconception. This is the logic of the Nazis and the Bali bombers.

And what do you mean by “supporters” of Jews?

Why would I be surprised that Jewish people are found across the political spectrum, including even your part of it? Your description of the sectarian fractures and unlikely alliances on the political fringes also comes as no surprise. But the distinction between your own views and those you describe as ”wingnuts” seems to me a small one.

As well as rationalising violence against an ethnic group on the basis of the assumed sins of some of its members, you have implied scepticism of the holocaust (the “so called holocaust”), that the Nazi regime was far less bad than it is painted (our picture is “outlandish and totally distorted by lies and propaganda”), and that opposition to right-wing nationalism is led primarily by “Jewish groups”.

You profess not to victimise Jews because they are Jewish, but your posts ooze bigotry and hatred.

As to which side I’m on, I ask you to be explicit. Vic has outlined a vision of the best and worst of mankind, and one that resonates with me. What’s your vision of mankind at its best?
Posted by Rhian, Thursday, 6 September 2012 9:42:16 PM
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