Being a child during W.W.2, but having read several accounts of the Holocaust, I could not quite bring myself to visit Auschwitz, however, by chance when in Linz and Prague, my wife and I took local transport to Mauthausen, close to Linz, and to Terezin North of Prague.

How the Holocaust could occur in what was meant to be a cultured and advance part of the world is difficult to comprehend. We were very glad we did see both those places and found them far more significant than the places on the usual tourist routes. Reader--if you can't get to see them please check them out on the net.

The reason "far right" (misnomer that it is) activists are angered by references to the so called holocaust is because it's available for use as a political toll by their opponents, as in this article and forbidden to them on penalty of imprisonment in most of Europe.
Jobbik, Golden Dawn and the others are legitimate Nationalist political parties who draw their support from indigenous European communities, yet they are spuriosly and dishonestly linked by their enemies to a period in history and a regime which none of them could have legally joined and the image of which has grown outlandish and totally distorted by lies and propaganda.Radical Jewish activists purposely set out to destroy every promising Nationalist group which forms in a majority European country, just as they did in the early years of the NSDAP, the NF in Great Britian, National Action in Australia, the National Alliance in the U.S.A, this is why they are roundly hated by Nationalists and why as a result the whole Jewish diaspora is held accountable and the reason why this tit-for-tat violence occasionally occurs between Jews and Nationalists.
Furthermore lets not kid ourselves that "Nationalists" are even predominantly responsible for Anti Semitic attacks in 2012, Islamic and Left Wing extremists are and have since the 1960's been the far greater threat.
Remember the Marseilles outrage a few months back? What did the media say in the first hours after the murders? They instantly spun it as "Neo Nazis" and "Far right" sympathisers who had been expelled from the military. Who was found to be responsible? It was an Islamic extremist wasn't it?
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Jay

Do you deny that the holocaust happened? Or the episode Vic describes?

Your comments about “Jewish activists” being responsible for the failure of groups like the NF, and the “whole Jewish diaspora” being held accountable and therefore subject to “tit for tat” violence, parallels exactly the paranoid manufacture of political guilt as a justification for racial violence that the Nazis employed.

I was a member of the Anti-Nazi League in Britain many years ago, and I assure you it had members from across the political spectrum and of many different races and religions. Lots of people thought their ideas vile enough to warrant active resistance – and still do.

My word we do seem to have quite a coterie of Holocaust deniers on OLO.

Cont:
The biggest issue I have with this article is that by linking the two periods in time it implies that modern European Nationalists are in favour of a single party or single ideology dominating the continent, a "racist" pan National movement that would exclude everyone who didn't fit a particular genetic archetype.
This is completely a completely false assertion and flys in the face both of historical fact and the platforms of the various parties and sects.
Golden Dawn, the NF, Jobbik and all are opposed to the EU, they particularly hate the role Germany is now playing in European politics and like the patriots of the 1930's and 1940's they pledge their lives to defeat a centralised European power.
What european Nationalists want is a Europe for Europeans, they want self determination, a right to preserve their unique genetics and culture,they want all non Europeans expelled from the continent and they want secure National borders.
It beggars belief that the author would imply that Jews have much to fear from Nationalists yet fail to acknowledge the very grave and very real threat posed to his ethnic group by the millions of hostlie non Europeans and Muslims resident in those lands, if Jews threw their considerable economic and political weight behind European Nationalism and explicitly allied themselves with them as they have done in the U.K would they not be dealing with both problems in one move? The problems between Jews and European Nationalists could be resolved in a detente and an agreement to co exist, the issue of Europe's hostlie alien populations is an existential threat to both Jews and Whites and has no solution besides expulsion of all non Europeans from the continent.

Rhian,
I refuse to interact with people like you, being an"Anti Nazi" is like admitting you're a child molester, end of discussion...oh actually did you ever meet Yigael Gluckstein (aka Tony Cliff), your leader? Probably not.
Steven,
No, I don't "deny" anything, I take the Nazis of expressed justifications for the treatment of Jews at face value, Goebbels said straight up that he was of the opinion that 60% of Jews would need to be "liquidated" and that the methods being employed by Globocnik and others would be "subtle" but not pleasant.
That's not the point of my posts, which is the greater existential threat to Jews? Islam and non White immigration or European Nationalism? Is an unstable, broke, Europe riven by ethnic conflict really in the interests of Jews? Why would Vic Alhadeff make a point of associating what amounts to an Anti Fascist and anti totalitarian stream in 2012's Nationalist milieu with the events of 70 years ago? As I said, he's probably not well informed on the issues so the article comes off as gratuitous or dishonest.

Jay

Actually, I did meet Tony Cliff. I never agreed with his politics, though. Like I said, the anti-Nazi movement was, and is, a broad church.

The point of the article is to “remain alert so that we detect monstrosity under its guises”. That would include Islamic fascism no less than the nationalist variety you seem to admire.

@Rhian
You say in your reply to Jay, The point of the article is to “remain alert so that we detect monstrosity under its guises”. That would include Islamic fascism no less than the nationalist variety you seem to admire.
And Zionism?
By every account I have ever come across, what happened in the old Winter Velodrome in Paris was an unspeakable horror.
As is Gaza and the whole of the occupied West Bank today.
I echo what was reportedly said by French President François Hollande: "We're here to fight the battle against oblivion and testify what barbarity is capable of. Ignorance is the source of many abuses."
Ignorance is the source of many abuses. We could all do worse than to remember that.

Halduell

I agree that the Palestinians’ suffering is no less worthy of our concern than the Jews, and Israel’s injustices and oppression deserve condemnation. I could add a very long list of other places and peoples. I think the case of Nazi anti-Semitism and the emergence of far-right parties in Europe are instructive for us because they are rooted in a culture and society much like our own. As Noelreg says “How the Holocaust could occur in what was meant to be a cultured and advance part of the world is difficult to comprehend”

Are you also implying that there is moral equivalence between the Holocaust and Zionism? If so, I disagree

There is no comparison between Gaza and the Holocaust and it is offensive to suggest so. I'm deleting some of the comments above in the light of Eatock v Bolt. They would certainly be offensive to Vic and are aimed at him citing race and I have no confidence that good faith is involved.

Fascism is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek elevation of their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people through national identity. They are united by suprapersonal connections of ancestry and culture through a totalitarian state that seeks the mass mobilization of the national community through discipline, indoctrination, physical training, and eugenics. Fascism seeks to eradicate perceived foreign influences that are deemed to be causing degeneration of the nation or of not fitting into the national culture.

Wikipedia

Graham, let me rephrase that post,
Vic Alhadeff represents himself in public as a spokesperson for the Jewish people of New South Wales, he was democratically elected by that community to represent their interests and views, in this article he has chosen to take a stance against European Nationalism on the basis that it MIGHT tend toward Anti Semitism. It's my personal opinion that he is promoting the idea that because he believes there is a possibility that European Nationalism may lead to anti Semitism that it is a threat to the people of Europe as a whole, I disagree with the notion that because the views of some European Nationalists are portrayed by their detractors as "Nazi" that they are a threat to Europe's stability.
Furthermore I refute the idea that movements far distant in time, material circumstances and political outlook from the Fascists of the 1930's can be "Nazi". A segue implying a link between them and incidents such as those which allegedly occurred in the Velodrome and elsewhere is, in a word "dirty pool" since the named organisations refute any "Nazi" sympathies and style themselves after European patriots who resisted the totalitarian regimes of the past.
The opinions of a critic of European Nationalists require a response from a White Australian Nationalist who is sympathetic to their political aims , Vic is quick to jump to the defence of his ethnic group, it's allies and sympathisers and he's proven himself to be a resilient debater when confronted by radically different viewpoints, If he's offered his comments in good faith I'd trust that he'd be able to read mine in the same spirit.

Anti Semitism is a reality for some european Jews, but come on, can we seriously believe that a Jewish cultural centre in Malmo is being fortified against Nationalists?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzLECtFT4aU
Nationalists do not have a reputation for violence against Jews in this era, on the contrary, in the post 2001 world there has been considerable crossover between Jewish and Nationalist activists on the question of non White immigration to Europe.
No European Nationalist with whom I correspond would be seen dead wearing a Swastika and they are dead set against totalitarianism, the more nervous commenters here need to get to grips with the fact that these buffoons who do parade about in costume giving roman salutes are doing it simply to shock and offend.....because like all exhibitionists they like to shock people and make a spectacle of themselves.
There are Maori bikies getting around sporting Swastikas, there is a "Fourth Reich" M.C which has no political links and is a common street gang, just because a demented costume party freak turns up at a legitimate political event doesn't mean that he's anything other than what he appears to be.

Jay

Your most recent post appears more moderate than your earlier ones, but that because it seems to contradict them. You said earlier:

“Radical Jewish activists purposely set out to destroy every promising Nationalist group which forms in a majority European country…. this is why they are roundly hated by Nationalists and why as a result the whole Jewish diaspora is held accountable and the reason why this tit-for-tat violence occasionally occurs between Jews and Nationalists”

Is this compatible with:

“Nationalists do not have a reputation for violence against Jews in this era”

Rhian, yes it is a consistent train of thought , modern Nationalists and Patriots are not known for victimising Jews simply because they are Jewish, and individual Jews and Jewish organisations (ADL,SPLC, Searchlight etc) do specifically target Nationalists and their organisations for destruction, these are facts. Violence between Jews and their supporters and Nationalists and their supporters does occur, when Jews take one side or another it often leads to a misconception of bias by that whole ethnic group. It is true that radical Jewish activists. particularly those allied with ANTIFA and ARA are hated by radical Nationalist activists and vice versa depending on which side of a given issue they both find themselves on, You'd also be aware that both sides routinely use violence to settle their differences and that ANTIFA groups are supported by activists and organisations whose sole "issue" is battling AntiSemitism.
For example, the friction between pro Israel and Pro Palestinain activists, we've seen groups like the Aryan Guard in Calgary marching in the Pro Palestinian rallies alongside Leftists, some of whom were Jewish or Arabic. Then in the Max Brenner protests we've seen groups like the APDM, Australian Tea Party and APP siding with pro Israel demonstrators against Leftists and Anarchists. The EDL has a Jewish wing, UAF who oppose them also have Jews in their ranks.
There is no "Neo Nazi" group worth commenting upon, they're wingnuts, outsiders and movement Pariahs, similarly there is no " Zionist" group to be overly concerned about.
In it's present form European Nationalism seeks "people like us", fellow travellers, the BNP, FN etc have a broad range of followers and sympathisers.
The only question is, as ever "Which side are you on?", we both know where we stand right?

Rhian,
One final point, you and I both know that both sides, Nationalists and Globalists take their positions very seriously, that the green haired Anarchist and the Skinhead are just wannabes, scenesters and hobbyists. Vic Alhadeff is a serious player, his words have weight and though I vehemently disagree with his views and the way he's structured his article I don't dismiss him or try to belittle his work or underestimate the level of support he enjoys.
He takes Nationalism very seriously, I take Anti Nationalism (or Globalism) equally seriously, as I said, it's two sides both waging what they see as a war of absolutes, an existential struggle.
Anti Semitism was not the root cause of WW2, it won't be a factor in what's unfolding in Europe and it's outposts today, people can laugh and call Nationalists "Nazis" but that just highlights their ignorance and they need to realise that they are going to have to choose a side or be caught in the middle.
As a well known Nationalist song says "People to the Left. People to the right. People in the middle that don't want to fight. Traitors fight against us, it's a showdown. People in the middle get knocked down"

Jay,

So you argue that nationalists don’t victimise Jews just because they are Jewish, but rather in retaliation for the fact that some “radical” Jews oppose their ideology. You say, “When Jews take one side or another it often leads to a misconception of bias by that whole ethnic group.” At least you admit that it is a misconception. This is the logic of the Nazis and the Bali bombers.

And what do you mean by “supporters” of Jews?

Why would I be surprised that Jewish people are found across the political spectrum, including even your part of it? Your description of the sectarian fractures and unlikely alliances on the political fringes also comes as no surprise. But the distinction between your own views and those you describe as ”wingnuts” seems to me a small one.

As well as rationalising violence against an ethnic group on the basis of the assumed sins of some of its members, you have implied scepticism of the holocaust (the “so called holocaust”), that the Nazi regime was far less bad than it is painted (our picture is “outlandish and totally distorted by lies and propaganda”), and that opposition to right-wing nationalism is led primarily by “Jewish groups”.

You profess not to victimise Jews because they are Jewish, but your posts ooze bigotry and hatred.

As to which side I’m on, I ask you to be explicit. Vic has outlined a vision of the best and worst of mankind, and one that resonates with me. What’s your vision of mankind at its best?

Rhian, lest we go around in ever tightening circles and turn into butter I'd conclude with the following.
There is no Australian Nation in the sense that there exists a French, Swedish or for that matter Vietnamese or Tongan nation so this discussion is unconnected with my real world activities, I'm merely putting as best I can the other side of the story to the one described by the author.
I'm a sympathiser of and apologist for European Nationalism but I'm obviously not a European Nationalist, I'm a White Nationalist which as you'd know is a school of thought centred mainly in the U.S.
What White Nationalism proposes is a brand new Nation exclusively for White Nationalists, a sort of White Israel, or White Ethiopia if you will, a physical and spiritual homeland, one plan is based on a homeland roughly containing the U.S states of Oregon, Washington, Montana and Idaho as well as the southern part of British Columbia. There are other proposals for emigration to the outer Eastern parts of European Russia but I'm not really across those ideas due mainly to the language barrier.
As a White man I agree with European Nationalists on their main point, non europeans have no right to be in Europe in their millions and that they need to be removed as they jeopardise the survival of indigenous European communities.
As a White Nationalist however I am not particularly concerned with the fate of the country in which I live at this time, it's not my country, it belongs to another race, my Nation is yet to be born.

I watched a documentary on a Jewish family in Sydney a couple of years ago. The Jewish mother in particular was dead against any of her large family marrying any non- Jewish Australians.Oneof her sons decided he was going to step outside the Jewish tribe and culture and started dating an Australian girl to whom he became engaged. When the Jewish mother was told she collapsed onto a chair in shock and disapproval.

When will the world understand that religion divides.

Not only by what they believe but also along tribal bloodlines because they don’t marry outside of their religion, this divides countries into two separate groups. Sooner or later two bloodlines in one country go to battle over control of that country. This is what the Holocaust should have taught us. We saw this in mid-century England when the Catholics kept trying to put a Catholic queen on the throne and thus take control of the country.

Jay of Melbourne is right when he says the Holocaust wasn’t about the Jewish religion it was about control of Germany after the Great Depression plunged the country into dire economic circumstances.

Why is it that all we ever hear in the West is World War 2 and the Holacaust. I’ve been watching endless documentaries and stories about this on Televison for decades.

We would understand the Holocaust much better if we saw more world history. Because it would become more obvious that the Holocaust is hardly the only event like this in history. In fact in the period from 1937-1939 before WW2 the Japanese ethnically cleansed 15million
Chinese when they marched into China and took Manchuria.

15Million! The Germans and French killed a third of this number, around 6million or was it 9million. So why is it that we hardly ever hear of the 15million Chinese deaths.
History is a litany of this kind of ethnic slaughter always over countries and land.

Cherful,
What I actually said was that Anti Semitism wasn't the cause of WW2, the postwar Holocaust propaganda was more geared toward justifying to Americans why they had to go to war in Europe and why they lost over 180,000 men fighting the Third Reich, it's tied to that omnipresent sense of American exceptionalism we hear so much about. The French and British were the aggressors in the second European War so they didn't need any further justification and the Soviets had their ideological Anti Fascist position from the start.

I use the term So called "Holocaust" because it's use in propaganda is indicative of a mystification of a perfectly comprehensible chain of events, it's portrayed as incomprehensible "evil", a "kind of mania", Elie Wiesel even goes so far as to say that there's truth in the Holocaust narrative even though many of the widely publicised events didn't take place, "Human soap" would be one example, there's supposedly some inner truth in that story even though it's been disproven by science.
If you want to know why the Nazis treated Jews the way they did read Mein Kampf, despite what you're told by the state media it's a very readable and easily understood work, also read The Jewish State by Theodor Herzl, he goes into the phenomenon of anti Semitism in detail.

Buzz words like Neo Nazi and Holocaust denier don't mean anything in the real world since the only people who hold those views are crackpots, exhibitionists and all round weirdos, the type of person who is too far gone to influence people to go along with them in any number.
The real question would be "Do you think the Nazis were right?" and how often do you see that asked in public? Never, it's always "Do you believe the Holocaust really happened?".
From my point of view it's not possible for someone such as I, born in 1967 in Australia to agree or disagree with Nazism, the whole idea of being a "Nazi Sympathiser" is ridiculous, I can't say whether Hitler was right or not. In the context of the mass killings during the Gallic wars we may as well ask was Julius Caesar right or not? I don't know and I don't really care but it's not hard for me to comprehend why he killed a million Celtic tribespeople and enslaved many thousands more,
My sense of indignation comes from the misuse of the word "Fascist" or "Nazi" as a political tool to suppress European Nationalism in any form, look at Madonna's defamation of Marine Le Pen,I also find the use of those words to describe Zionism offensive for exactly the same reason, nobody has any right to link modern Ethno Nationalism with "Nazism", it's just wrong on every level.

I must applaud the sentiments expressed by Mr Alhadeff in condemning the horrors of the Vel d'Hiv in Paris and in praising the efforts of Raoul Wallenberg. Now that he has raised the question of saving jews in WW2, perhaps Mr Alhadeff could explain why another great man with a similar powerful record of saving jews continues to be reviled by many in Israel to this day? Count Folke Bernadotte was murdered by the Stern Gang in Jerusalem in 1948. Try this article from the Jerusalem Post:
http://www.jpost.com/LandedPages/PrintArticle.aspx?id=182933
I hope Mr Alhadeff will join me in exposing and condemning all evil acts no matter who commits them.