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The politics of naming: victims, survivors and plain dead women : Comments

By Jocelynne Scutt, published 1/6/2012

The expression 'victim feminism' is attributed to Naomi Wolf and relies upon defining women as diametrically different from men.

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Geranium3.1,

What are you doing here?

I'm baiting the neanderthals. Seems like they are back and intend to breed.

God help the homo Saps.
Posted by KAEP, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 3:49:22 AM
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It's amazing how selfish some people are about words, Houllebecq… But sometimes words themselves don't help.

By males, your Renaissance paintings are a collection of old masters to be admired for what they are – the same by female 'artistes' is your collection of old mistresses to be admired for what they were.

Mothering your children connotes nurturing, niceness and necessity and takes decades – fathering your children sounds like a biblical sex act and takes secon... less time.

The loaded meanings of gendered words creates unnecessary obstacles in life and that's before we confront what 'victim feminists' will allow.

Sometimes it's easier to use neutral expressions – who can disagree with being a good and loving parent, child or sibling?

I know you're desperate to rebrand yourself and you deserve "to be a downtrodden martyr of society" but maybe the best we can achieve is a word mashup…

If, despite mothering your children, the professional 'victim sisterhood' still insist only ma's can be martyrs – as a father you should insist on being called a fartyr.
Posted by WmTrevor, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 9:19:29 AM
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Geraniums will grow in almost any type of soil if well-aerated and porous. Heavy
clay soils should be improved by adding organic matter each year! You just know where I grow the best:)

"What are you doing here?....Just thought I'd drop in and lend a leaf or two:)

The comings back of the Neanderthals is a contant problem:)

Good luck.

cc
Posted by plant3.1, Wednesday, 6 June 2012 4:37:58 PM
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Geranium,

You're a keeper!

It's sad that divorce and domestic violence are part of the national economic outlook. As such politicians will huff and puff and do NOTHING to upset the casino barfs and other ugly commercial elements from profiting from large scale social misery.

Mention fair & just business style contracts for marriage specifying guidelines for everything from kids to sex to putting out garbage will always get negative responses. Perhaps the most lethal of these is to be ignored into oblivion. Funny enough, women hate marriage contracts as they have most to lose. Women prefer violence to truth! And most men are too dumb and shag-nasty to understand.

I think a lot of the blame goes back to our colonial past where Barry O'Farrel type governors ruled with corruption rather than wisdom. Stacks on the mill rather than sustainability.

Maybe our rum-corps based colonial prison society is what the majority deserve. Certainly if they refuse to understand and accept due changes.

But frankly I'm OVER it!

Catch you on the flip side!
Posted by KAEP, Thursday, 7 June 2012 12:56:18 PM
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Kelp, what a lovely thing to say:)..(your a keeper)..thank-you.

While western cultures differ greatly, hunter and gatherers as we once were, will never come our way again. While men should be in touch with their feminism side as a 50% surety for the understanding and long term survival of the life paring/marrige. During the twentieth century, anthropologists discovered and studied dozens of different hunter-gatherer societies, in various remote parts of the world, who had been nearly untouched by modern influences. Wherever they were found--in Africa, Asia, South America, or elsewhere; in deserts or in jungles--these societies had many characteristics in common. The people lived in small bands, of about 20 to 50 persons (including children), who moved from camp to camp within a relatively circumscribed area to follow the available game and edible vegetation.

The people had friends and relatives in neighboring bands and maintained peaceful relationships with neighboring bands. Warfare was unknown to most of these societies, and where it was known it was the result of interactions with warlike groups of people who were not hunter-gatherers. In each of these societies, the dominant cultural ethos was one that emphasized individual autonomy, non-directive childrearing methods, nonviolence, sharing, cooperation, and consensual decision-making. Their core value, which underlay all of the rest, was that of the equality of individuals.

We citizens of a modern democracy claim to believe in equality, but our sense of equality is not even close that of hunter-gatherers. The hunter-gatherer version of equality meant that each person was equally entitled to food, regardless of his or her ability to find or capture it; so food was shared. It meant that nobody had more wealth than anyone else; so all material goods were shared. It meant that nobody had the right to tell others what to do; so each person made his or her own decisions. It meant that even parents didn't have the right to order their children around; hence the non-directive childrearing methods that I have discussed in previous posts. It meant that group decisions had to be made by consensus; hence no boss.

cc
Posted by plant3.1, Friday, 8 June 2012 12:41:01 AM
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Geranium,

When I think of hunter gatherers it brings to mind horny women rubbing against the local phallic rock or men, club in hand dragging their newest mate to the Cave by the hair.

Plus ca change, plus la meme chose!
Posted by KAEP, Friday, 8 June 2012 6:39:22 AM
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