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The burden of proof : Comments

By Martin Bouckaert, published 1/6/2012

Can you prove vaccines are safe?

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I find it amusing that he thinks children choose their parents. I wonder what the victims of child abuse and alcoholics might think of this. I wonder who would choose a parent that would toss them around as a baby until they died. No one chooses their parents, or family. Choice is about having options, and being conscious of those options to make a wilful decision on one. I don't think, though, that children yet to be conceived 20 years from now are influencing a relationship to blossom between the parents they have chosen... or that they're picking the one with the gambling problem just because he's winning, and the random hooker he just met to be their mother.
Posted by Martin Bouckaert, Monday, 4 June 2012 1:18:16 PM
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Dear McReal,

'Ascension - how does that work?'

My understanding of ascension is that it is the process of becoming my eternal divine self. I regard this process as becoming self-realised. Some others may refer to it as becoming God-realised.

I believe that as everything is energy and energy vibrates, we can raise our personal vibration by embracing a life style that aids us in realising our full potential and expands our awareness, thereby leaving illusion behind until we know, and are nothing but our divine Self. Density is related to the rate of vibration and can be transcended in many ways; some of which are living to serve others, doing our duty without expectation of reward and living honestly and truthfully.
Posted by FreeSpirit, Monday, 4 June 2012 6:52:59 PM
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Dear Tony,

'What evidence do you have to support this claim?'

I know individuals who are not 'new-agers' and have experienced past-life residue being brought into this life-time. Are they dubious? Some, yes but others no. You will come to your own conclusions, but it would be a shame to explore the subject without an open mind. I understand that there are some delusional people and charlatans who make this subject ripe for doubt but it would be unfair to place everybody in this category without evidence that they are either.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

There is also Siddhartha Buddha who spoke of having many lives and could recall them. I don't know if you would put him in the delusional group or the charlatan group but I tend to believe that he is authentic and many others would agree that his word is beyond doubt.

'Then you support a parents right to child abuse and murder.'

No. If in the mind and heart of that parent they believe that what they were doing was in the best interest of that child then how can it be abuse or murder?

'If I had a child that suffered a severe laceration and lost so much blood that a blood transfusion - a safe effective and proven treatment - was required to save their life and I refused and just let them bleed to death on the operating table what kind of person would I be?'

That would depend on why you refused. If you refused because you just didn't care then you would be negligent and a horrible person. What if you refused because you believed that to give your child this transfusion would harm them spiritually? The parent may see that the physical body is only temporary but the spirit is eternal, so make a difficult choice to save the spirit at the cost of the body.

'spiritual health doesn't appear to have the same affect:'

I disagree. I believe physical illness and dis-ease can be the manifestation of spiritual illness or impurity in anyone, be they religious or atheist.
Posted by FreeSpirit, Monday, 4 June 2012 8:33:28 PM
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Dear Poirot,

<<How can we become closer to God if we are God?

If we are God, then we are as close as we can be.

Or do you mean that we're here to become closer to the realisation that we are God?>>

Yes. Being God and not knowing it is not very helpful, intellectual understanding (that we are God) doesn't take away the pain and suffering, subjective as they may be.

Dear Martin,

Don't you find it strange that parents turn to alcohol, gambling and violence towards their own children? If parents can behave so stupidly, then why not their children?

<<I wonder who would choose a parent that would toss them around as a baby until they died.>>

Usually those who are as irresponsible and mindless as their parents-to-be. Often it is a case of plain sexual attraction: the poor and undisciplined spirit senses that couple having sex and is attracted to the scene.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 4 June 2012 11:33:35 PM
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Yuyutsu, no one chooses their parents, and there is no argument that you can make to prove otherwise. You are deluded, man - get some help.
Posted by Martin Bouckaert, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 12:02:03 AM
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Isn't it amazing that comments about an article about verification of medical science have turned to religion and wacky notions of it.
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"My understanding of ascension is that it is the process of becoming my eternal divine self. I regard this process as becoming self-realised. Some others may refer to it as becoming God-realised."
Posted by FreeSpirit, Monday, 4 June 2012 6:52:59 PM

This is a clear example of the egocentricity that religion engenders.
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Perhaps we could move back to science, how it is verified, and how such methodology is applied in population-medicine and the benefits that vaccination engenders .....
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Posted by McReal, Tuesday, 5 June 2012 10:19:36 AM
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