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The burden of proof : Comments

By Martin Bouckaert, published 1/6/2012

Can you prove vaccines are safe?

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What a ridiculous article.

Go to Haiti and see how you get on without being vaccinated for cholera. Proof of safety will take on a whole new meaning.
Posted by DavidL, Friday, 1 June 2012 9:24:04 AM
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People who oppose vaccination are on par with the alarmists who peddle AGW; neither are scientific and essentially use sophistry to promulgate their unscientific position.
Posted by cohenite, Friday, 1 June 2012 10:44:14 AM
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Pardon me DavidL, I think you may have misread the article as I did initially - it debunks the anti-vaccination crowd.

Apart from some confusion at the beginning it is an excellent article.. children use to die like flies before the wipespread use of vaccination and still do where they don't have it. To deny its value is true eccentricity.
Posted by Curmudgeon, Friday, 1 June 2012 11:08:04 AM
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Posted by Tony Lavis, Friday, 1 June 2012 11:34:04 AM
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HIV- 30m deaths/70m HIV cases, there remain indications humans started the pandemic. This is not the theory favoured by the medical establishment.

1950s- Oral Polio Vaccines were prepared in primate cells. Each contained weakened poliovirus, and whichever monkey viruses were present in the cell substrate. One virus was SV-40, known to cause tumours in hamsters. By 1960 millions had been given SV-40 vaccines. Producers switched from Asian monkeys, to African monkeys. It is recognised exposure to SV-40 leads to a risk of contracting cancers.

OPV theory relates to a different polio vaccine, proposing an experimental polio vaccine, CHAT, initiated the Aids pandemic by introducing SIV from the common chimpanzee into Africans given the vaccine 1957-1960. Chimpanzee SIV is now recognised as the direct ancestor of HIV that caused 99 per cent of infections to date.

In 2000, 12 samples of CHAT vaccine selected were independently tested. No trace of HIV, SIV or chimp DNA was found. Surprisingly, given that none of the samples selected had been prepared specifically for the African trials, results were taken by medical journals and the press as proof against the OPV theory.

Tissue cultures used until mid-1958, were clearly primitive that would have provided ideal substrates for attenuated polioviruses and SIVs. Some of these cultures also employed chimpanzee sera to nourish the cells, meaning there was substantial potential for recombination of DNA between different SIV strains in vitro.

Most importantly, CHAT was administered in at least 27 places, all in the DR of Congo, Rwanda and Burundi. 68 per cent of all the earliest Aids cases and 76 per cent of all the earliest HIV infections in the continent come from the very same villages where CHAT was administered, 1957-1960.

The arguments, denials and protestations continue, Over the next decades it will come to be realised the Aids pandemic was sparked by large-scale field trials of an experimental polio vaccine, trials that employed African ‘volunteers’ as guinea pigs.
Posted by Geoff of Perth, Friday, 1 June 2012 12:06:53 PM
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Isn't it ironic that we have an alarmist froop-loop advocating the polio/AIDS connection just after I make a comparison between the anti-immunists and the AGW believers.

To compound the irony, Nature magazine, which was subject to an attempted hijack by he alarmists and is used to spread the AGW propoganda, has declared the polio/AIDS connection "refuted".
Posted by cohenite, Friday, 1 June 2012 12:45:15 PM
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