despite the cheer squad
no proof...lol

stezzra/quote...:oug:..''"MY THEORY=no change of genus"

stezza replie..""We have established that.""

thank you for that surrender

""We have..*also established
that you are not willing ..to perform
a simple experiment..to prove your theory.""

there you are wrong my child
see i breed chicken and doves and fish
never have i bred nothing NOT WITHIN ITS GENUS*
[ie nothing EVER..not like its parents..EVER*

""Perhaps you have done the experiment""

i do it everyday...my guppies ONLY breed guppies
my dog's only br4eed dogs..my pigions only pigions
and my chooks only breed chooks[my herb garden breeds plants..AFTER THEIR OWN KIND! too

aqnd despite ALL this PROOF..in favour on MY theory
you got the hide to say..""and found that you are wrong""

present facts
present PROOF

name genus that evolved into other genus
[some nutter just commented horseevolution..lol
that was instantly refuted...but he[she?].. at least named a genus

your sayiong im right
then trying to refute me by saying im wrong

in les than 30 words
not one proof..thus opinion
athiests having faith in science..lol

faith..in a lie
present the fauksifyables
that if refuted refute ya theory

what you aint got nun...lol
cause you got a tHEOry*..NOT A SCIENCE*

try takinhg evolution
as a subject...or geting a degree
its so subdivided into little groups..
so as to..*never get to..the huge lie..

NO GENUS HAS EVOLVED EVER*
thats what the facts..[of like breeding like,,,,: says]

humans breed humans
apes breed apes...
dogs breed dogs

lol
you say,,*they dont!

that needs proof!

I know I am just wasting my time, arguing with a creationist. However I think that it is important to challenge creationists when they try to use science to argue their points. After all, while we can't prove that god didn't "dun it"(sic), we can show that we are guided by evidence and not faith. After all, if OUG did perform these experiments, and prove that he/she is correct, I would gladly accept this and even help him/her publish the results. However I think that this discussion has shown that people like OUG are not interested in the truth, rather they wish to argue against science as some blind faith in their god.

I think a common confusion results from how we (humans) have classified life forms into categories -species, genera etc. In reality all life is a continuous spectra, as demonstrated by anthropology, developmental biology, genetics etc. This is evident in current discoveries of species such as Australopithecus garhi and Homo gautengensis, which have so many similarities it is difficult to classify them into one genera or the other. What OUG doesn't understand is that changes happen in small increments over millions of years.

For now OUG can keep his/her head in their fish tank.

ztezza/quote..""""Then using a simple program such as http://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Blast.cgi
you...could measure..both the variation..
in the genetic sequence
for various genes""

your link lists 12 sequences
'this link links all[that they got]...lol
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/mapview/

plants have 118 sequences
104 floweering plants
9 conefers
4 algie
1 moss
17 fungi

so your THEORY..MAKES YOU SAY,,patent absurdities
REFUTED by your own link[or rather my link from your link

stezzra.."" I think a common confusion..""

YOUR COMMON CONFUSION>>""results from how wehave classified life forms into categories -species, genera etc.""
read the link and weep..LOL

notice that colum on the LEFT?
that uses..lol..'scientific names'

""Cavia{genus}..porcellus{species]
common name..Domestic guinea pig

Cricetulus griseus
Chinese hamster

Rattus norvegicus
rat

ok
lets build a rat..
your tools are
Search or Browse the Genome

BLAST

Clone Finder

Go to region..on a chromosome
ya got nuthin..and now lost ya theo-wry]

Genome Resources page http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/projects/mapview/map_search.cgi?taxid=10116

it tells us the liniage..[theoreticly..of the rat]
VIA GENUS>>!..[not species]!
Lineage: Eukaryota; Metazoa; Chordata; Craniata; Vertebrata; Euteleostomi; Mammalia; Eutheria; Euarchontoglires; Glires; Rodentia; Sciurognathi; Muroidea; Muridae; Murinae; Rattus; Rattus norvegicus

NOW LETS REPEAT your insanity

""In reality all life is a continuous spectra,""

well mate..your wrong
but lets look at ya proof?

""as demonstrated by anthropology,
developmental biology,..genetics etc.""

so you say

im not a student/..i ask for proof!

you claim science...
and its not proving anything
just UNVERIFIED speculative liniar decent from acolites

NOT THAT YOU GENIOUS NAMED IT
lol..couldnt name first THEORETICAL life[genus

and here you go again

lol

""This is evident in current discoveries..of species*
lol

you claim science
yet still think in species
its clever..but what happend to genus

remember...[first CLAIMED
living genus=Eukaryota]

which evolves into
Metazoa;..Chordata;..Craniata[genus/genious*]

TO WIT
NOT SPECIES..get it yet?

IM NOT LOOKING TO PATENt.. BITS OF GENE sequence$
your big picture..lol..is just minutia

new link[from yourn]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genbank/submit/

leads to
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genbank/genomesubmit-examples

they are just formating stealing genes
prior to patenting..say the fish gene put into strawberries

lets see what they got..on..Australopithecus garhi
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/structure/?term=Australopithecus%20garhi

how do you sleep at night
lying to kids

you know you got nuthin

just like anyone who dared look at the facts realise
but so may were called..so few even have a clue

but lets go..""and Homo gautengensis,..""
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/structure?term=Homo%20gautengensis

that you say""which have so many similarities..
it is difficult to classify them into one genera or the other.""

lol
21031..claims..on bits

not verifying nuthing
its about claiming bits
and ignoring the lie's..of genus..line of accent[lol]

What stezzra doesn't understand
is that changes happen..WITHIN THE FAMILY GENOME*
in small increments over millions of years.,,,wavering within their genus mean

to wit..'fossils'
near identical to 'living fossils'
to wit still crocidile..still algie

to wit MICRO EVOLVING WITHIN ITS GENUS MEAN!
nun so blind as those who take things on faith

so yes you were close
""..and well as predict efficacy..in DNA repair mechanisms.""

yes genes will be big..in time
but evolution didnt evolve nuthin
and science wont ever want to face the truth

but you can
you can DO THE RESEARCH..not just pass on athiest links
that speak in very specific sequences..not genus evolution

I think that this discussion,,has shown that people
like stezza..are not interested in the truth,

rather they wish..to HIDE behind science site
as confirming..their blind faith,in their godfree alternative's.

they abuse science
by not refuting the lie..of evoliution exta[out of]..genus

This must be the first time someone has been accused of "hiding behind science" in a scientific debate.

"wavering within their genus mean"

What is "genus mean"?

Perhaps you could tell me the "genus mean" of Arabidopsis, one of most commonly studied organisms

lok ya got nuthin

Definition for arabidopsis:
Web definitions:

a genus of the mustard family
having white or yellow or purplish flowers;

closely related to genus* Arabis.

wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

END QUOTE!

what DNA PROOF YA GOT?
what are you really trying to say?

but lets dig deeper

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/286/5449/2468.full

OH dear the second search term
WANTS CASH*...surprise surprise..lol

oh well we got this..for free

""
www.sciencemag.org/content/286/5449/2468.full

by GP Copenhaver Cited by 304 - Related articles
24 Dec 1999 – Physical maps of the genetically defined Arabidopsis centromeres.""

Physical sizes were derived from DNA sequencing
(chromosomes II and IV) ...

Arabidopsis mutant analysis
and gene regulation define a..."""
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8643469
that sounds interesting

Arabidopsis mutant analysis and gene regulation..lol
define a nonredundant role for glutamate dehydrogenase..in nitrogen assimilation...droll..

next!

""Arabidopsis mutants""..AHHH
finally...

http://www.plantcell.org/content/10/7/1121.full

define an in vivo role..for isoenzymes of ...""..

HUH?
site refused to download

next
""Arabidopsis hot Mutants
Define Multiple Functions Required for...

www.plantphysiol.org/content/132/2/757.full

LOL
redirected
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=11&ved=0CHMQFjAK&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.plantphysiol.org%2Fcontent%2F132%2F2%2F757.full&ei=bI-PT-7gOImQiAeehKT6Aw&usg=AFQjCNEaGiEg3NqSUMWSM2LSmlpdUgY2Eg&sig2=PUE1mxlYZ45CiKHLQl_B2Q

Defining the Mitochondrial Stress Response
in Arabidopsis thaliana

mplant.oxfordjournals.org/content/2/6/1310.full.pdf

LOOK PLEASE BE PRECISE
WHAT ARE YOU SAYING THIS PROVES?

im not baffled by your redirection
then sneaking away

its sop
for the faithfull..faithless
needing any excuse...reason..to hate others..thus hating god...too