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Defending multiculturalism : Comments
By Alice Aslan, published 10/11/2011It has become very trendy to denounce multiculturalism in Europe. The political leaders of three major European countries have one by one denounced multiculturalism as a failure.
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Posted by fiandra, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 2:58:15 PM
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"The immigrants are not the problem, the jingoistic nationalists are! I love the concept of Multiculturalism, of unity within diversity,
but we're never going to have that and white supremacism simultaneously." well see, this is where I disagree once more - there is no such thing white supremacy - only in the minds of bigots - you see there is supremacy in all cultures - only we don't call it that. In Africa it's called Affirmative Action - If you lived in Africa today as a white person, do you think you might get a well paid job even if you are best qualified for it? Well I can tell you that you wouldn't. If you lived in Saudi Arabia as a Christian, do you think you would have an easy time of it? In the UAE right now they import Phillipinos who work for dreadful wages, under awful conditions. In many homes in the Arab world women are slaves - they have no rights, AT ALL, that is not given to them by their male supremacists. All I'm saying here is that being white doesn't make us the evil one. "Anyway whatever anybody thinks, multiculturalism is here to stay." There's nothing wrong with multiculturalism, just legislated multiculturalism - because it's enforced - left to it's own devices, multiculturalism would flourish - the bad bits bred out and the good bits carried on. "How about we deport all primary trouble makers, regardless of nationality? There'd a be a lot of true blues among em!" That's a childish retort, and counter productive - if I may say so. Posted by fiandra, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 3:02:05 PM
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@GrahamY,
I don't have a reference for the story - it was told to me yesterday by a friend - it's anecdotal, but I have no reason to doubt him - he's not in the habit of telling porky pies. however I did find this on the net and few others beside. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4b8_121199724 Posted by fiandra, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 3:02:45 PM
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fiandra,
I don't put any stock in your Daily Mirror article--mostly the media pandering to popular anxiety. Nor does it address my contention that extremists are driven by their pariah status, rather than conviction or vexatiousness. You also disregard the issue at the centre; online pornography, a problem that transcends national indifference or fiat? You also fail to acknowledge that any extremist can boast, indeed that every extremist from every quarter gets airtime in the UK, but that to date "nothing" unreasonable or tantamount to ethnic favouritism or treason has been legislated, or even won popular support, even among minorities. You merely illustrate that the communication revolution is squandered. The freedom you claim for your flag-bearers to impose and discriminate willy nilly should be extended to all citizens and not by those who fancy themselves the prime rump. Multiculturalism is not forced, it's a fact of life, as is the fact that our globalised world demands fair and equal treatment for all; nationalism is akin to anachronism--but it was always despicable. Next you attribute "hate" to me, a concept I studiously avoid. Nor did I say imperial britain invented slavery--indeed I acknowledge they abolished it. Nevertheless they introduced the "taint" into the blue blood (already tainted from time immemorial. Further, I haven't said that <the white/english supremicists are the only ones who have created evil and meted it out on the heads of others?> Where did you get that misinformation from? Your stuff on South Africa is flagrant prejudice that conveniently neglects the context of Apartheid that bred the problems of inequality and white supremacy that have created a post-colonial basket-case. <All I'm saying here is that being white doesn't make us the evil one> I never said it did! I am white and English btw, Anglo-Saxon! and have a degree in history, which means I'm trained to study history in as objective and bipartisan a manner as possible. How is my suggestion that miscreants be deported a "childish retort"? Presumably you have no objections to naughty Muslims being deported? So why not loyalists who stir up ethnic tensions too? Posted by Squeers, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 5:31:40 PM
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Over the last couple of thousand years the Arabs were the major
slave traders. Remember it was the white nations that forced the end of the slave trade. Where it still exists it is in the horn of Africa and Arabia. Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 5:44:16 PM
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Squeers
You write: "I am white and English btw, Anglo-Saxon! and have a degree in history, which means I'm trained to study history in as objective and bipartisan a manner as possible." So what went wrong since then? You are not reading "objective" or "bipartisan" Posted by divine_msn, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 6:03:45 PM
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I am not religious, but I do like this bible quote (one of the very few): smote first the plank from thine own eye - or let he who has no sin cast the first stone (something like that anyway).
Why would you imagine that the white/english supremicists are the only ones who have created evil and meted it out on the heads of others?
Where would you get that misinformation from? and if knowing that we are not unique - our evil has come after others, why do you still hate us so much and not the rest:
"According to observers of the late 1500s and early 1600s, there were around 35,000 European Christian slaves held throughout this time on the Barbary Coast - many in Tripoli, Tunis, and various Moroccan towns, but most of all in Algiers. The greatest number were sailors, taken with their ships, but a good many were fishermen and coastal villagers."
Phonecians, Egyptions, Romans, Arabs, West Africans etc etc were all trading human flesh long before us white supremicists.
Slavery of any sort is an abomination, there is no excuse for it, however that was in the past, the only reason we should remember it is to ensure that it doesn't happen again. To use it as an excuse for some warped ideology is just plain ignorance in my opinion.