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The problems with Eatock v Bolt : Comments

By Graham Young, published 3/10/2011

Australians are now much less free than they were to discuss matters of race, to the detriment of proper, functioning democracy.

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Aka,
In your opinion it's Racism, you're only using that term in relation to White people, anti Racism is a code word for Anti White.
What you are suggesting is a hypothetical scenario, wherein the Anti Racist definition of Whiteness and White Australia is accepted by White people.
I can tell you right away that it is not.
At this point the racial identity of White Australians is very much in a state of flux due to the dissonant message coming from Anti Whites:
"There's no such thing as a White Australian/ White Australians are Racists".

Graham made an typical Anti Racist comment in the article at the head of this page "White, whatever that means"...ask an Aborigine or a Third World migrant"Who are the White Australians?", you'll get a pretty definitve answer.
Anti Whites have however lost control of the anti Racist message, Whiteness is now being shaped by multiculturalism, migrants are defining White Australia and they don't have too many harsh words to say about us. I was recently told by a fellow tradesman, of Middle Eastern extraction that Aussies and Italians were the best people to work for, followed by Greeks and Lebanese.
Multiculturalism was intended to destroy us but it's shaped us into something arguably better and stronger than we were before, a more cohesive, tolerant and worldly ethno racial group who know where they've come from and can see where they're going.

You can't subjugate a people to a Genocidal ideology like anti Racism unless they are demoralised, if you've failed to demoralise White Australians then keep trying to blend them out of existence they will become hostile toward their tormentors and act to overthrow them.
It may come as a blow to anti Racists but White Australians don't listen to you because they don't respect you and they don't respect you because you want them to be blended out of existence.
We're not idiots.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 3 October 2011 7:24:45 PM
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It has long been established in the biological sciences that race DOES NOT EXIST, and that there is more genetic diversity within 'racial' groups than there is between 'racial' groups.

We're all people - well meaning folk who try to introduce arbitrary and meaningless distinctions 'twixt aboriginally descended Australians and European descended Australians do us all a grave disservice.

How can Bolt possibly have discriminated against a particular race, when race is a fantasy only maintained by some folk when it suits them to do so?
Posted by The Acolyte Rizla, Monday, 3 October 2011 9:29:47 PM
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Race does exist, it's real and it matters what's more science proves that it's so.
Back to our friends the Kohanim:
http://www.cambridgedna.com/y-chromosomal-aaron-and-the-cohen-model-haplotype.php
There are other studies as well, wherein subjects are asked to give an account of their ancestry then are DNA tested, their answers are always pretty accurate.f someone says they are of a particular race, or ethnic group (which is a term coined by Eugenicist Julian Huxley to describe race) then it's a pretty sure bet they're telling the truth.
I find Rizla's post racially offensive,if I call myself a White man then I'm telling the truth, if Geoff Clark says he's Aboriginal then that's what he is .

If race isn't real then why are scientists testing for it?
In Rizla's post we see another Anti Racist position, "race is meaningless".
Bulldust, tell Pat Eatock there's no such thing as race.
Don't you think that if science had disproved race then Andrew Bolt's counsel would have used that as a defence?
Race is real, the law recognises it, science backs that conclusion and furthermore there are no such things as "social constructs" under the law.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 3 October 2011 10:03:21 PM
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Jay,

You might find my post racially offensive, but your posts are scientifically inaccurate - as a member of the Sceptics society, I know which I consider more offensive.

The concept of race might still hold currency in the field of sociology, but it no longer does in the field of biology - which is where some of my scientific background lies (I'm more familiar with chemistry, but I know more about biology than the average bear, and I take particular interest in mammalian biology). According to current biological theory, every human on earth is a member of the same taxonomic class, Homo sapiens sapiens, and racial variation is associated more with phenotypic expression and sociological factors than the underlying genealogy.

I will gladly call you a turnip if that's what you feel you need to make you happy, but I won't believe for a second that you are actually any form of root vegetable. If Geoff Clark, yourself and Pat Eatock (whoever he may be) wish to share in your collective delusion, I'm really not that worried. There are abuses of science taking place that I consider much more concerning (mostly involving quackery in place of medicine), so I'm content to let you delude yourself whilst more important battles are fought.
Posted by The Acolyte Rizla, Monday, 3 October 2011 10:47:54 PM
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TAR:"According to current biological theory, every human on earth is a member of the same taxonomic class, Homo sapiens sapiens, and racial variation is associated more with phenotypic expression and sociological factors than the underlying genealogy."

And what do you think causes the phenotype? Races are largely a product of founder effect and isolation, as well as some adaptation to environment (equatorial peoples tend to be darker than those from high latitudes, for example).

Jay, your point with respect to racism is valid. The same people who would object to a racist term being applied to a black or Asian person would quite happily accept a racist comment made about someone of European appearance.

Unfortunately, the Left in our thoroughly cossetted modern Australia is full of hypocrisy. It's all about picking winners and losers and creating a class division that can be exploited for political purposes. Those who do it bear only a passing connection to those they claim to be doing it for, while they gain much more personally than any of the supposed beneficiaries.

It's a cruel, nasty dog-eat-dog joke and it applies across the "social welfare" field in Australia. Aboriginal welfare politics is just one (fairly significant) part of the overall picture of cowgirls(mostly) riding shotgun on a fine herd of milkers.
Posted by Antiseptic, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 4:05:36 AM
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Antiseptic,
Well it's only an opinion that Whites are racists, these people only say that about White people because they're anti White, fighting racism is just the excuse they use to cover up their hatred of White people.
I tend to agree with judge Bromberg on Bolt's actions and it doesn't bother me one bit if Aborigines are ripping off the system, the system tried to exterminate their race, do we wonder that they'd treat it with contempt?
No person who is racially aware can respect the hypocrisy and double standards of the Anti Racist system under which we live.
Anti Racists in the main are ignorant thugs, the more educated ones, the "suit and tie" Anti Racists are more dangerous but like all elitists they're vain, self righteous martinets whose arrogance and bad character always shows through despite the facade of respectability they build around themselves.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 5:40:32 AM
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