Lexi,you're an intelligent person and you are so well adjusted but you didnt understand my point. Ofcourse there are and always will be,unfortunately, the muggers,rapists and other sorts of crims we have to deal with but nothing comes anywhere more threatening than threat to ones traditions and culture that slam poses by the very nature of their religionand culture. The two cannot and will not co-exist in peace and harmony.
We have all the pacifists and those addicted to the extremes of human rights and will fight to enforce their take on the issues and call for us to make all the sacrifices tll eventually our traditions and culture will soon be eroded to the point that they will eventually disappear.
Do we really want this to happen?

socratease

Sorry, King Hazza, "barely factor"? That's just plain wrong.

>>"Islamophobia" would barely factor into the greater part of Breveik's anxieties<<

It troubled him sufficiently to write over a hundred pages on the topic in the section "Modern Jihad" alone. None of it complimentary, I can assure you.

Have you actually read the document yet? I suspect not, because if you had, you wouldn't have made such an elementary error.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12431#215124

Lexi, the crime stats in Britain & Europe show Islam is over represented in Prison, especially when it comes to sex crimes against women, well over 90% muslim.

Why do you want to get more women & girls raped?

Don't try to pretend that you don't already know this, Breivik's manifesto was full of info on this.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12431#215125

Loudmouth, i will ask you again, What about communist fundies? like you. Serious christians have not been killing people for centuries, as you well know.

Centrist & Right wing democrats are not now & never have been ANTI women, as you well know. Misogyny is entirely Left Wing & Islam, as you well know.

the RED flag is burning, not flying, give up, admit you have been wrong about everything, repent & you can be forgiven. Continue with this closet communist, corporate paedophilia & you will end up before a royal commission on closet communism, a senate committee on UN australian activitees.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12431#215134

socratease, Lexi is a feminist, in other words so deluded she does not realise that when we have sharia law, she will be first in line for being stoned to death, along with all the GLBT types & Loony Lefties.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12431#215136

Poor pericles, still trying to ignore "the truth, the whole truth & nothing but the truth".

You make an incisive point, Formersnag, but I do make a mealy-mouthed distinction between 'Communist' and 'Marxist' - yes, Communist totalitarianism has exterminated many millions of 'class enemies', intellectuals, dissidents, kulaks, rich and 'middle'peasants, Jews, minorities. I like to think that Marx would have been appalled.

But Christian fundamentalism ? Okay, not as many vile terrorist acts have been carried out recently in the name of Christianity, or some variant, as the Salafists have achieved: it's probably been some time since Christians blew up women and children in market-places and maternity hospitals. But after all, both Franco's and Milosevic's troops engaged in exterminations after being blessed by their priests. And Timothy McVeigh ?

But to get back to the topic: the point about fundamentalisms is the willingness of their adherents to go beyond human decency, to utterly devalue human life, to set aside human rights and freedoms and, in effect, to retreat to a barbaric conception of human beings - ultimately, if they could, to exterminate the entire non-believing world, in order to leave the world only to the believers. Invariably, they oppose the genuine rights and participation of women and minorities in their societies - in fact, all individual autonomy and diversity. As did Communism.

So yes, Communism as has been practised has been just another form of totalitarianism, of fundamentalism, if you like. But rather than representing just a retreat to earlier forms of barbarism, it attempted to build an entirely new form of society, a barbarism for the future. But even Communists tried to set aside the ideals of the Enlightenment, rather than build on them. In that sense, Communism was a retreat from modernity, from human rights and personal autonomy.

Out of the closet at last !

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12431#215149

good to hear we are making progress Joe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Weishaupt but remember communism/marxism was invented by this man & his team of Jesuit humanities academics on behalf of the Pope, as a reactionary, counter revolutionary, strategy to slow down or stop "the enlightenment/protestant christianity" from continuing to democratise the world, as it had started to do all over North America, Britain & Europe.

Happy, harmonious, life marriages, in healthy, functional, extended families/clans/tribes sound like cohesive social units or communes to me, yet the "socialists/communists" have been working to destroy this for almost a century? Why is that?

Peaceful, democratic religions like protestant christianity are also opposed/destroyed to be replaced with the gospel according to Marx & deifying "the dear leader". Why is that?

Answer it was all a con from the start.

I certainly don't pretend to have all the answers.
But according to a classic study by Theodore
Adorno and his associates done a few decades ago -
found that: some people have a distinctive
set of traits, including conformity, intolerance, and
insecurity that seemed typical of many prejudiced
people. Those who had this personality pattern were
found to be submissive to superiors, and bullying to
inferiors. They tended to have anti-intellectual
and anti-scientific attitudes; they were disturbed by any
ambiguity in sexual or religious matters; and they
saw the world in very rigid and stereotyped terms.

Adorno claimed this type of personality was a product
of a family environment in which the parents were cold,
aloof, discriplinarian, and themsleves bigoted.

Therefore what he was saying, I guess, was that some
people were psychologically more prone to prejudice
than others. Another consistent feature of prejudiced
thought was that it was irrational - illogical and
inconsistent. For example Adorno found that prejudiced
people often believed mutually contradictory
statements about groups they disliked. For example,
most subjects who disliked Jews for keeping to
themselves, also disliked them for intruding too much.
Similarly, those who disliked them for being too
capitalistic and for controlling business also
disliked them for being too communistic and subversive
of business. Those who disliked them for being
too miserly also disliked them for giving money to
charity as a means of gaining prestige, and so on.

Clearly, prejudiced people are not concerned about
genuine group characteristics; they simply accept
any negative statement that feeds their existing
hostility.

Therefore in answer to the question - "Is global
Islamophobia to blame for the Oslo massacres?"
No. it was the act of an individual - and his set
of prejudices.