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Is global Islamophobia to blame for the Oslo massacres? : Comments

By George Morgan, published 8/8/2011

Fascists ironically are using the Internet to lock arms against globalisation and defending the impotent state from its imagined invaders.

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Poor dear closet communists, "denial is not a river in Egypt".

You are riding a wave of your own creation. the PC, Thought Police created moral, ethical DE generation & now are trying to blame conservatives.

http://www.mercatornet.com/family_edge/view/9461/ Breivik was made crazy by communists, simple as that.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/health/8281168/aggressive-aussie-ladettes-on-the-rise more of your communist perversions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHI1r-KBpg&feature=youtube_gdata Hatred breeds hatred, what part of that don't you communists understand?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5871651411393887069# throw in some lies to the people & they just might get angry with you, who would have thunk it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIHeBJNFS1g make it worse by inviting migrants who don't like your people & maybe everybody will get angry?

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8282973/fresh-outbreaks-of-violence-in-london apparently you idiots still dont get it?

You Loony Left humanities academics did this, why are you so surprised?

Everything is going exactly according to plan.

http://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8630135369495797236#

http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JarRIC4rS1M

How much of the above had been coming true in the land of OZ? right now?

Did you really think the sheeple are all so stupid that nobody would work it out & blame you instead of the capitalists?
Posted by Formersnag, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 4:25:49 PM
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Dear Joe (Loudmouth),

I agree with you that the issue is a complex one.
Communities or societies that are hostile to one
another often use religion/culture/politics,
as an ideological weapon, emphasizing differences
in faith/beliefs, in order to justify conflict.

The medieval Crusades for example, appear at first
sight to have been a purely religious conflict in
which European Christians were trying to recover
the Holy Land from Muslims. A closer analysis
suggests an additional reason, however, The
European nobility launched the Crusades partly
to gain control of the trade routes to the East
and partly to divert widespread unrest among
their peasantry.

Similarly, contemporary conflict between Jews and
Muslims in the Middle East may seem to arise from
religious differences, but the tension is really
over competing claims by two different ethnic
groups, the Israelis and the Palestinians, for
the same homeland. In much the same way,
the conflict in Northern Ireland seemed on the
surface to be one between Catholics and Protestants,
but its roots were much deeper in ethnic and class
divisions between Irish of native descent and those
descended from British settlers.

Anyway, these challenges tend to come from movements
near the finges of society, or from dissident groups
or individuals (in Norway's case). In many of the
highly unequal and impoverished members of society -
some tend to embrace their own version of "Liberation."
Hence tragedy strikes.

I personally found the site I gave as a warning. And a
good one - showing what can result with an increasingly toxic
culture that is plagued by incivility
and extremist rhetoric.
It should serve as a warning to us all.
Posted by Lexi, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 7:04:13 PM
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The main cause of the worldwide spread of islamophobia is the raving and rantings of hate-crazed fundamentalists who openly are laying claim to the country that has been stupid enough to let them in and let them stay after their claims of annexation to the Third Caliphate.Go through the recent history of places like London.These maggots want nothing short of ending democracy, the installation of sharia law only and the repression of women and denial of education for all girls and young women. Some would even like to ban all women from driving cars.
Posted by socratease, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 8:45:42 PM
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It will be interesting to see if you do get a reply to those questions, stevenlmeyer.

Surely, Mr. Morgan who has a Ph.D and has done 10 years of further research since then can come up with a better argument that labelling opposing views as "fascist." It boggles the mind that someone with a doctorate thinks labelling those with opposing views as "fascist" is actually a valid argument. Surely he would have had to learn about the art of dialectics? Surely he has done research into the tribal nature of human beings?
As I stated before, if "fascist" is the rationale used to defeat those who oppose him, then, by his own logic, he too is a fascist for opposing contrary views.
Posted by Aristocrat, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 10:33:31 AM
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Dear Socratease,

The problem is how do you tell who's a fundamentalist -
be it Christian, Muslim or any other? Look at the
violence in our own society. How many Muslims go around
bashing people here, how many rape old ladies, get into
fights at football games, bash taxi drivers, attack old
people, or get into fights in nightclubs and pubs?
We need to look at the bigger picture.
Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 10:36:02 AM
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Thanks, Lexi, but I think you might be missing my point. What you write is of course true, as far as it goes, but not all that relevant. What I was trying to get across referred to the willingness of individuals and groups, of a multitude of warped persuasions, to go beyond dialogue and seek to impose their views on others using the most violent methods. In their view, the 'purity' of their religion or ideology justifies the use of terror. They have contempt (and fear) for civilized discourse, for the freedoms and rights of other people, of non-believers, and probably even feel MORE 'pure' after committing their horrific acts, shooting or blowing up innocent people.

What they have in common - Christian, Aryan, Islamist, Hinduist, whatever, fundamentalists - is fear and hatred of change, of engagement with the outside world, of the extension of rights to women and minorities and their consequent involvement in the cultural and political life of rapidly changing societies. So the ideologies of both Breivik and the Salafists are monocultural, anti-women, anti-minorities and ultimately anti-modern freedoms. Characteristically, they would prefer a return to the days of the pre-Enlightenment.

So it is quite grotesque for anybody, Left or Right, to soft-pedal on the condemnation of their terrorism, whether Breivik's (from the right) or the Salafists (weirdly, from the Left). Their ideologies are reactionary, pure and simple, and there can be no apology for any of them. Such fundamentalisms are the enemies of human rights and freedoms, of individuality, of diversity and of human progress.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 10 August 2011 10:55:28 AM
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