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Is global Islamophobia to blame for the Oslo massacres? : Comments

By George Morgan, published 8/8/2011

Fascists ironically are using the Internet to lock arms against globalisation and defending the impotent state from its imagined invaders.

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So people who object to the Islamic religion are 'xenophobes'? Check out this site:

http://religiousatrocities.wordpress.com/category/religious-beliefs/islamicism/

and you will find 344 examples of religiously-motivated intolerance and stupidity that made the national or international news over the past three years: that's more than two a week. Most of them involve murder; many of them involve multiple murders; and all of them involved Islam in some way.

Whether the Islamic religion is inherently more intolerant than others is not the point; the point is that it is generally more strongly held than Christianity, and the more strongly held a religion is, the more likely it is to trigger acts of stupidity and violence.

Islam will inevitably retreat, as Christianity did, once its believers become more affluent and better-educated. But there will be an awful lot of blood shed on both sides during the process. As Sam Harris has pointed out, the people who suffer most from Muslim violence are other Muslims. For THEIR sake, if not for the sake of non-Muslim citizens, nations with large Muslim populations must take steps to reduce extremism and remove the privileged position of religion and religious leaders.

If the Muslim (or Christian) God exists, he certainly doesn't need any support from the taxpayer. And if he DOESN'T exist...
Posted by Jon J, Monday, 8 August 2011 7:42:15 AM
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When the Cold War ended, and all those reds came out from under our beds, some demon was needed to rally the troops. And to justify the looting of our various Western treasuries by the armament industry, both manufacturers and merchants.
Enter Islam. Not only did they sit astride most of the world's then known reserves of oil, but everyone knew, and had known forever, that they were barbarians. The Greeks had fought them. The Romans had fought them. Medieval Europe had fought them.
Israel was fighting them still.
They dressed in drag and even allowed a man to take four (4) wives!
How perfect they were for intellectually challenged leaders such as Bush the Younger, his war cabinet and sycophant Blair.
So now the truly deranged answer what they hear as a call to arms, and haven't we painted ourselves into a tight and vicious little corner!
Posted by halduell, Monday, 8 August 2011 8:33:28 AM
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In dark corners around the world there are lunatics looking for excuses to kill people. It could be Islamophobia, anti semitism, anti capitalism, racism etc.

Whatever the supposed reason, there is no logic, and this is just a flimsy excuse to commit mass murder. Altering society might change the excuse, but not the act.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 8 August 2011 9:38:18 AM
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The authors claims of a general Islamophobia in the West is an attack by him on the very Western society which Muslims, in their droves, seek to join.

He misses two important points. One is that the intolerance of Muslims to other religions and Western values, rather than the intolerance of the West, is often a major cause of conflict. The second is the Breivik shot his fellow white Western Norwegians. There was no attack on Muslims.

Again we have an author using the Norway massacre to push their own ideological barrow. I've lost count of how many people are drawing support for their own causes and ideologies out of this incident.

The author's article is primarily anti-Western rather than pro-Muslim. There is not one statement about the positive advantages of Islamic involvement in the West. He seems unaware that Left wing academia is a luxury of western capitalism, and should that lose its dominance, his job would be one of the first to go.
Posted by Atman, Monday, 8 August 2011 10:37:51 AM
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Islam has approximately 1.4 billion followers around the world. Like all monotheist religions it has many variations beyond the simple Sunni, Shiite, Alawite and Druze all with their unique dogma. Furthermore the practice if Islam differs within each sub-section e.g the Sunni Muslim religion as practiced in Saudi Arabia is of the Wahhabi branch, highly orthodox and conservative it is the most intolerant of Islamic branches.

For any one to be culturally racist of Islam, no matter what hypocritical words are attached to the discrimination, should cause the predominately Christian West a deep sense of shame. Islam is only about 1,400 years old and needs time to assimilate new concepts and ideas on freedom, democracy and capitalism for surely the systems in place in the West are far from perfect. Would the USA and Britain march their armies against Iraq and destroy the country if it were not for that country's oil?

As for Islam being a fundamentally violent and therefore a fearful religion I would like to know how many Muslims have died in the last decade at the hands of the West and how many in the West have died as a result of Muslim attacks? I think you will find the numbers hugely disproportionate as so many Iraqi civilians have died by the hand of imperialistic powers.
Posted by Ulis, Monday, 8 August 2011 10:50:59 AM
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"Is global Islamophobia to blame for the Oslo massacres?"

No, just personal Islamophobia, for the guy who did it .. some people deal with things, one, or two, in a billion don't.

That doesn't automatically mean there is some great global conspiracy.

Do we talk about global hatred of the West whenever there is an incident of hatred against the West? Do we question whether there is some great conspiracy about?

Of course not ..
Posted by Amicus, Monday, 8 August 2011 11:09:22 AM
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