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Is global Islamophobia to blame for the Oslo massacres? : Comments

By George Morgan, published 8/8/2011

Fascists ironically are using the Internet to lock arms against globalisation and defending the impotent state from its imagined invaders.

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Arjay,

Fascism and totalitarianism are very broad churches, and like churches in the past, sometimes they collaborate, sometimes they feud and even go to war against each other. The Iran/Iraq war comes to mind. But they still share common anti-humanist, anti-democratic and fundamentally anti-people core beliefs.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 8 August 2011 8:28:23 PM
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I'm with Loudmouth on this one.

A christian conservative terrorist murdering his fellow 'christians' is ultimately no different than an islamic conservative terrorist murdering his fellow 'islamists'.

Religious conservative fundamentalists by nature are basically misanthropic.
Posted by Neutral, Monday, 8 August 2011 9:30:34 PM
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Joe.
Yeah, Fascists were "anti people" (rolleyes), mate they weren't even "Racists" by your definition.
Franco would have been lost without his Army of Africa,the Italians made extensive use of their African troops and the Third Reich forces were more multicultural than any of today's armies, they didn't have to have affirmative action programs because "people of colour" were volunteering. This "Fascism = Racism" nonsense is based on lies.
The "Jesse Owens outraged Hitler" story is a lie, read Owen's recollections of his treatment at the '38 games, the Nazis had reason to propagandise their "superiority", they thrashed the pants off everyone else and won more medals than the next five countries combined.
Hitler's trusted SA bodyguard and driver Emil Maurice was half Jewish, everyone including Hitler knew this. Hitler and Emil fell out over his affair with Geli Raubal but they eventually reconciled and Emil became chairman of one of the Reichs craft guilds.
There were Jews and "Half Jews" working for the Reich and serving in the Armed forces, nobody disputes this but then again nobody talks about it either, censorship by omission, same difference.
There are surviving Third Reich Jewish ration cards dated 1945 and it's now accepted that about a third of German Jews remained more or less free in Germany for the duration of the war, again, not talked about but not denied either..just, forgotten.
I could go on all night with examples.

This "Fascism" nonsense has to stop, Israelis are not Fascists, Islamists are not Fascists,Zionist Right Wingers and White Nationalists are not Fascists.
The charge of "Neo Fascism" has never been proven, unlike the charge of "Neo Marxism" which is proven in every case, usually because the accused goes around saying "I'm a Marxist".
White Nationalists wouldn't be caught dead marching under a Swastika...ever been to a Marxist demo and seen all the Red flags, the Che T-shirts and hammer & sickle badges?
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 8 August 2011 9:37:01 PM
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The following website may provide some answers
to the question - "Is global Islamophobia to blame
for the Oslo massacres?":

http://newmatilda.com/2011/07/25/ends-political-incorrectness
Posted by Lexi, Monday, 8 August 2011 11:16:16 PM
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I can believe educated people acting so, that normal people cant describe. Its religion! the biggest parasitic organism on the planet. Why do you good people play into its hands! Pat Condell spells out what we wont when you are invited to our shores......don't like it.....go back to our own lands that's so fine! Dont think we don't see you extremists, we do, and your starting what you escaped from.....religion is man made! stop being so caveman! your making fools of yourselves.

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCYQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJW6PRABq4HM&rct=j&q=pat%20condell%20youtube&ei=GOE_TuOhM8KHrAe-k6T5Dw&usg=AFQjCNEJf0GN1oIkAF-daLdTXNKy5ln4jw&cad=rja

You ignorant simple.....I just cant say it, its that prehistoric! The human race is now a fool to itself, and any simpleton that can read, can figure it out. The god thing, are you for real? but you are, that's the big scarey that drives you to hunt others you don't even know...........but that don't matter, does it! You want to make your homeland look like +BC after births, go for it! The shame is on you.

LEAP
Posted by Quantumleap, Monday, 8 August 2011 11:55:07 PM
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Hi Lexi,

That NM article and the attached comments go only so far - it and most of the comments are really pretty superficial. There is a multitude of ways to be reactionary - Aryan supremacism, Salafist Islamism, Christian fumdamentalism, Hinduist fundamentalism. One could even say that, while open and formally democratic societies are all broadly similar in their (at least formal) recognition of equality, liberty and democratic principles, reactionary ideologies are different in their specific focuses.

But they do have one aspect in common: as well as their primary target (non-believers, Muslims, non-whites, etc.), they all oppose human equality, respect for diversity, freedom of expression - all of the social and political innovations of the post-Enlightenment. Indeed, they all seek to retreat to, and re-impose a pre-Enlightenment vision on the world, by force, and anything goes in order to serve that agenda.

So they are at least as likely to use their terror-weapons on liberals, democrats, Marxists, humanists - on anybody who seems to be free and easy about equality in social relations, who speaks their mind, or who is more or less comfortable living in a democratic system. That's a huge grab-bag, I know, but it points to the commonalities of all of those reactionary fundamentalisms: they seek to control people, either by forcing their submission to their ideology, or by terror - in short, they seek the unity of religion/ideology and the state.

Many on the Left are not immune to this hankering to return to some mythical Golden Age before the Enlightenment, before capitalism, before industrialisation and globalisation: much of their anti-capitalism has that reactionary tinge to it, it has to be said. Hence, I suspect, they soft-pedal on Islamist terrorism and - with Breivik - try to have a field-day with some aspect of white, Western, Christian terrorism.

Yes, Breivik's murder of nearly eighty innocent people was evil. And how many innocent people have been killed in the past week, and the week before that, by Islamist reactionaries, in Pakistan, Somalia, Iraq ?

I wait for the day when NM tells the whole wtory.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 1:24:35 PM
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