When it comes to hatin' on black Christian men, I don't think that you could do much worse than FOX news, BPT.

The question is, is FOX news a white-majority atheist establishment organisation?

Glenn Beck's a mormon (yes it has an m), so your guess is as good as mine.

It is quite sad that discussions about religion consistently bring out the worst in both sides.

On one hand, we have Christians at their worst, insulting and belittling non-Christians. Generally speaking, those in this camp are embarrassing in their inability to construct a rational argument. They consistently help to prove the case against them.

On the other, we have non-Christians at their worst, insulting and belittling Christians. Apparently, we have sneaky plans to take over the world one child at a time and are the most bigoted people on earth. The standard Christian rebuttal to this argument tends to support it, rather than offering opposition.

The reality is that, if the most vehement posters in this and other religion-related threads took a look back over their posts, they would find that there is little difference between them. Christians and religious people in general are far from having a monopoly on bigotry; atheists are far from having a monopoly on arrogance and ill-manners.

Thankfully, there are many of us in both camps who work hard to put aside the vitriol and go about our lives in peace, trying to make the world a better place simply by living our lives as well as we can. If somebody who sees what I do, how I do it and why I do it decides to explore my faith, then that's fine. If that same person simply lives a good life without setting foot in a church, have I failed in my Christian duty to 'spread the word'? No. As recognised by the Catholic Church way back in the '60s, there are many routes to heaven - not solely through explicit acceptance of Catholicism. In essence, one can live a Catholic life without ever being a Catholic, and that is fine. Take heaven out of the equation and you still have many good ideals to guide your life in a positive way. Sadly, so many of the Christians who attack 'heathens' and 'heretics' fail to live by these ideals. Perhaps they need to discover their own faith before insulting those who don't share it.

" If somebody who sees what I do, how I do it and why I do it decides to explore my faith, then that's fine."

That's exactly was is NOT happening at the moment. One evangelical Anglican organisation provides 97% of Special Religious Education and Chaplains into Victorian schools, and 98% of Chaplains supported through to National School Chaplaincy program are Christians from either ACCESS Ministries or Scripture Union.

I am happy to support your idea of letting you do your own thing and informing interested parties - this is why I support a secular education system, and why you should too.

It's a funny thing Otokonoko, there's heaps of people who live a Catholic life without being Catholic, but apparently are going straight to hell because of it.

I've never ceased to be amazed at how the True Believer's God is always so perfectly in agreement with the True Believer.
Posted by Grim,
Amazingly It is the other way around. The believer in God, is trying (with God's help) be in perfect agreement with God. Hence Prayer and Bible reading. The Christian world view is from God view not our own.

Darwin's theory of evolution is just that.. a THEORY. Darwin had many arguments with the church leaders of his time about publishing his work and due to the expansion of print media his theory has been spread far and wide.
By the way according to Darwin’s son, towards the end of Darwin's life he turned back to God and regretted developing his theory. But the scientific world has run off with the "THEORY" as if it is gospel truth.

God's signature is everywhere in creation so how can anyone say they can't see God or ask where is God?
Yes, God the Father is invisible, God the Son,(Jesus) is God who made himself visible and God the Holy Spirit is God working in men. Yes, one God with three natures. Similarly, I am a mother, a sister and a daughter. One person 3 roles.
God created Adam and Eve and it "WAS" good. God walked and talked with Adam and Eve. God did not walk away from that relationship it was Adam and Eve who separated from God-they hid........ . Genesis. God’s INVITATION today is to return to a relationship with Him through His Son Jesus. Cont... next post.

In Queensland bible reading has always been allowed in schools. Schools have never been totally "Secular".
Chaplaincy in schools is always begun at the community. Chaplains are not appointed to schools unless there is a ground swell from the community. So no Christian is imposing their religion on anyone in the schools. SU facilitates Yes and isn't that fantastic that there are some checks and balances in place. How could the schools provide the time to manage the whole process? SU has many volunteers to assist and then each community requesting a chaplain has the best management process in place as SU overseas the whole state rather than each school "re-inventing the wheel" so to speak. Absolutely brilliant.

By the way, I am a Christian and I detest the term religious.
I am not religious - to me religious can be all about showiness, rituals etc. it does not reflect the heart. A Christian has a heart for God, an obedient, heart and they are more interested in their walk before God than what "men" may say about them.
God is the God of individual hearts and the God of the Nations. The Government is on Jesus shoulders and God has appointed Jesus to be the Judge of every heart at a future time. As I have said before even though some might like to "believe" schools are secular they are not God is still there. He is not a God just for the Christian schools He is God of ALL. It is not about evidence and facts if is about faith. In fact science is starting to prove the bible and many historical events confirm biblical events. Lets let a little LIGHT into the world.
Jesus is the Light of the world.