Yuyutsu wrote;
"Although energy is a bit subtler than "solid" matter, as Einstein showed us, they are still interchangeable, so I still place energy in the "physical" basket. Our bodies and the food that we eat and what we expend while active, would also be in the same category - they are all interchangeable."
"WE - you and me (which you call "soul"), God and consciousness, cannot be interchanged with energy or with matter. We are non-physical."

Well...thats what YOU believe, but I dont follow your 'reason and logic'...so for this debate to continue it would need that...on why you conclude that there is two definite and non_interchangeable existence of energy, one that is associated with matter, and the other that is associated with our spiritual aspect...

sam
Ps~taking Eisteins equation for example...e=mc2, the c2 is a constant, so only variables are e and m, meaning energy and mass are interchangeable...Think thats where you essentially got your conclusion on matter and energy...but 'e' is 'e', no subset of e is available in the equation, same to 'm', which goes against your second statement above...and did you know just pure energy existing by itself has a weight...yeah, suns rays on its way to earth has a mass...

So basically what Yuyutsu agrees with or likes is 'religious', and anything Yuyutsu doesn't agree with or likes, is 'not religious'.
It appears we have a new Muhammad in our midst. Hallelujah.
For those who suffer a certain scepticism concerning religion you may enjoy an email forwarded to me recently:
http://thecomensality.com/avasay/biblical-contrasts/feed

We are posting ideas, attitudes and aspects of our character on this site. Are they real? is there a transferrence of energy that can be measured from the writer to the reader? Ideas, attitudes and character is a spiritual dimension our output and responses can be measures as an individual; but the idea, attitude or character quality of itself cannot be measured, only its emotional or physical responses or reactions.

Yuyutsu,

You have me also a little intrigued.....

If you hold up God and consciousness as being in the spiritual realm and yet relegate intelligence to that of the physical, I'd probably have to ask how you define consciousness?

You also highlighted the fact we are "alive" which is a physical distinction.

When a human baby is born, they have no concept of the "other"- they remain in a womb-like state at first....they are "everything" and everything is them - there is no separateness. Slowly they begin to recognise that in their physical world things are distinct from themselves - and through language they are indoctrinated into the symbolic order. Intelligence flows from this, and could consciousness be present without this process first taking place? Could any of it happen at all if not for their immersion in the physical world?

Some think the search for God is a yearning to return to a state where there is no "other".

Yuyutsu

So the story you told about the little old lady wasn't just made to fit in with your ideas about wisdom and compassion?

I fully concur that the UN, the USA, Britain Australia, Russia, China, the evangelistic religions: Christianity, Islam and many other countries/organisations have been trying to enforce their ideals, on those they have deemed need help, whether they have asked for it or not.

Which brings me to the question I simply must ask you; after having led the Little Old Lady across the road - when did you discover that was not her desired destination and how did she inform you?

I'm hoping she bashed you over the head with her hand-bag.

Wisdom would require that you be sure that you are actually providing aid. Instead you exhibited the "I know what is good for you" behaviour of any individual or collective that assumes superiority over others.

Dear Sam,

There are no two types of energy (science, at least, has not discovered any so far). Energy is physical and WE are not an energy. Energy as you stated has a weight, we don't.

Dear Poirot,

Indeed, there IS no other, all there is is God.

Consciousness is so obvious that I can't find adequate words to describe it, it's a bit like your nose, which you cannot normally see because it is so close to your eyes. Being alive is inherent in what you are and should not be mixed-up with the physical life of the body. Indeed, in order to be conscious of the world, the process of differentiation is necessary, but not for being conscious of Truth, of our essence, of God".

While I find my own words crude on this topic, Jesus has already succinctly answered your questions better than I could: "Unless you become like little children, you cannot know the meaning of Life, for your minds must be cleared of the falsehoods of this realm if you are to be taught Eternal Truth."

Dear Ammonite,

I think I made it quite clear earlier on this thread that enforcing one's ideals on others is not on. Let those who have ears hear...

Finally Grim,

"It appears we have a new Muhammad in our midst."

-Thanks for the compliment, except that I won't receive any money, power or sex from the fact that you love and honour your parents. In fact, I won't even be told whether you do.