ammonia..i dont defend..*the book
it has many lies..in it

just like all cons
there is..a core of truth...
only able to be found..by sorting the spin..from the fact

to demon strate lets visit a formentioned sbs program
titled 'how did we get here'..

[clearly implying the show would explain at least this]

from my notes..the program opend with hans sloan..a collecter
there was a demonstration of how to catch[lassoo lizards]

much was made of him having many flora and fauna samples
we followed his samples to a museum..[went to commercial]

where we were shown a mammoth tooth
[introduced to george kuvela..extrinction theory..
and how by experiment..the earth was determined..to be older than the bible says

[a point not made*in the bible]

anyhow we next visited france
went/second break

came back..talked of fossils
[none specificlly linked to 'how we got here']

got into geology plate teqtonics silika point deposits
then the industrial revolution..steam power..touched on darwin's pigeons

introduced robert chambers..[and his vestages theorum]

buzzwords like creation/transmutation/evolution..
[of species]..not genus..

mentioned how sucess
ensured..numeric advantage..
commonality ensures survival..
[and went..the last advert/break]

next we went to the vegner plate/theory..
glossing over the expanding earth...
went to coldwar theory..rifts..valleys mountains..volcanoes

concluded the buzz..piece with words
'life is born out of death'..[lol]

''story of life
is driven by climate change[extinctions]
we live on a violent planet''

''next week..we explain how we can have unlimited power''

in short nothing like..the tree[of life]
or 'why we are here]

but know nothings.,.will say
ahh..so thats how life was made*

the previous week..was
'the secret life of chaos'
claiming self organised algorythems
mindless..[unnamed]..simple rules
pattern formation
belusian affect

*conjured up life

saying
'design dont need designers'

its all just fodder..for a godless theory

saying we know
when even science..*dont got a clue

realise you got decieved...
species evolve within a genus mean
genus has never evolved out of genus

[but ignorants claim it does]
science admits it's never happend

the THEORY of evolution is fraud
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2305&page=0

but go ahead believe as you will
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4008&page=0
some people..*need to believe spin

OUG, (a thought)

God (Allah, Jehovah) created a magnificent ever-expanding universe
Wild, unbridled, in torment, glorious
A special place within the foment, calmed, yet hostile still
Elements beautifully aligned, wondrous
A spark indescribable, of "Life"
Imperfect, imponderable, possibility
A flood kaleidoscope in form, branching, reaching, spreading
Infant writhings, unsettled still, upheaval preceding storm
Cataclysm
Revival, resurgence, blossoming
Explosion in abundance, vigor unbridled
Pattern, balance, calm, order
Thought, perception, consciousness
Realisation
Realignment, modification, manipulation
Awareness
Exploitation, plundering, competition
Edict, law, revolt, revision
Enlightenment
Discrimination, divergence
Deliverance
Questioning, review, civilisation
Industry, government, science
Repression, bewilderment, unrest
The Lucky, the Blessed, the Downtrodden, the Dispossessed
The Misguided, the Hopeful
The Earth.

you were mostly going good..[peter]
till this

""Exploitation,plundering,competition
Edict,law,revolt,revision""
these are not of good gods creation
they are the creeds of selfish children

[only made real*..by men
failing to realise god made plenty
*for all his children]

god made the natural we see reflected
in the nurture..of nature

see how even a savage beast
loves and nurtures its young

this is the good..[god]..
reflected from within even them

even continuing with your quote
""Enlightenment
Discrimination,divergence
Deliverance"

are choices made by man
[god dos not discriminate between one life and the next
he sustains us all our lives..equally to good useful..

and that we might call bad and without use..
god sustains all to live according to their nature and want]

he answers our questions
before we even form them
indeed its said the question often is
a reflection of gods gift..we dont quite grasp....get yet..

thus also of man is
""Questioning,review,civilisation
Industry,""

such concepts such as
""government,science
Repression,bewilderment,unrest""

its not he who judges nor gifts us to be seen as
""The Lucky,Blessed,Downtrodden,Dispossessed
Misguided,nor Hopeful""

for these are qualities man develops
in answer to questions as they occur to us
to dare to ask god why?

god made the means of life
and sustains the goods of life
indeed sustains each living our very living

he made the glory and logic..and light..and love and life
but the man destroyed the mountains..
built and destroyed their cities
poluted gods water...and dirtied his air

in truth we could say
mad made..

""The Earth.""

from the dust of those who sought the good before us
we now have even their collected wisdoms..in our holy books
to try and make sense of it all

and finally move nearer to the only perfect
the only true wise and good

who's name is not jesus nor jehova
[indeed jehova means;..'oh him ...god]

god is simply good
simply good..[god]..allah
and any other name that means good..[god]

anyhow cheers
may we be mercyfull
to all the messengers of man
who's wisdoms..joined*together...
lets us get nearer to the only good...

[god]

OUG.......The part of our human consciousness is pre-literate, both historically and in our personal childhood experience, and the whole of our experience cannot necessarily be captured by words. It may be important to lay wordless experiences alongside the wordy ones, as in music, colour, form, movement and smell.

This is recognition that our need for such things is based not on God-given instinct, but a subconscious biologically-based leftover from out preliterate days, and our preliterate youth. When symbols, as in early religion, were much more powerful and imposing because we had no words.

Symbolism and ritual form part of our development, and part of our needs, in life. What people need to understand is, human development places our awakenings from the first point, as our minds tried to make sence of what seems an impossibility for all this what we see today, as it cant happen by its self.

OUG! I believe it all can happen, and life on earth is no simple task by any means to explain, but the evidence for this to take place, is overwhelming and extremely probable.

If religious people want to take the easy way out, then scripture is for you. However....Until someone can prove scripture is the in-fact word of GOD, all you have is other peoples say-so.

We have seen how religious beliefs can frequently derive from the inaccurate ways in which we have evolved to see the world and from otherwise-normal psychological mechanisms misleading us into supernatural and irrational beliefs.

LEA

dear leap

in no way is any holy text written/dictated or imprinted by god

inspired yes...but so much is only what men
thought/believed or wanted/needed others to believe..

i have long loved science
and can concieve...
evolving..from a single cell
say an ammoeba...

but science has studdied this single cell
and found so much complexity..
needing specific simultanious mutions

and specific things to happen...lol..spontaniously
as to become mathimaticlly impossable

mate i was into science for all my life
only found god arround 20 years ago..by then i knew
that species mutating..was limited to its specific genus

not one new genus
has ever mutated..out of another genus

to wit..no fly has mutated into a bee
no finch has mutated into a budgie

nothing

you can research like i have
and find only talk of species

even darwin talked of [evolution of species]
not evolution of genus..

*that needs to occur
for a cold blood/fish
*to become a warm-blooded land mammal

but i have explored this stuff in depth
on other topics...

so please name one evolution..
and i will prove your incorrect
i havnt failed to disproove even on thing* yet
see the main link..at world freeman society

think my brother..
life can only come from life
life from NON life..has NEVER been done..

*ever
not seen
not reported..nothing

even science
as clever as it seems to be
can only insert genes [chromosones]..into living cells

*it cant make a membrane..
[all cells need them]

it..[ a chromosone]..cant make life..
it needs other things[20 minimum]
to sustain life..sustain the dna..create rna
rebuilt dna..feed sustain the cell walls etc

see previous posts

[it /science..has put a chromosone..from 'bits'..it joined together
into a living bacteria..

but it didnt MAKE the bacteria
only scopped out its dna...
YET WAS WIDLY REPORTED AS SCIENCE making life
but that was a scam..

fooling only those needing to be fooled

think my brother
here is me alive
next moment in dead

my body is EGSACTLY the same
except my life force is gone

AND..science cannot get it going again

[think of the oldest being.;
...max life expectaion is just over 100]

once the last cell has divided
once the last tellimere has decayed
by initiating the division of its chromosonal strand..

*the cell dies

we know the LAW
energy cant be created..NOR destroyed

a living sperm..is passed
from a living being
into a living egg

this small..living..'life energy'..grows
till at maturity there is a few grams of living energy
this energy
isnt 'matter'..
isnt subject to the laws of decay
ie isnt subject to [the laws of the flesh]

it lives in the realm of other energy
in other dimentions..lets call them heaven/hell

think of energy as a flow
from positive to negative

+=god
-=u/me
it flows from him into us...us to him..back to us again
not directly..but via the positive realm...heaven
into the lower realm's..

but more than just energy
there is thoughts..from the other realms
carried along with the flux...

those with the right sincronous positive and negative vibrations
recieve the inputs from heaven and hell

[if we feel sad we attract the sad negative energy forces
in the other realms]..actually feel think ..

as those sympathetric in-put..im-pulses
influxes we attracted feel think etc

the life energy comes to us
via heaven and hell

crossing accross the width and breadth of both
and everything in between..

phychics can even follow the flow..
as it inflows into us

[the so called silver cord]

but im wandering too far from the point
i have said this stuff at other topics

so just name one genus change
that you believe happend
and we will work with that

i guess we should move one question or concept at a time
for now we are talking about values

life is about what we chose to value
put effort into making real

we need to real-ise ..that its by our works..deeds
not our words or thoughts

we spend our life doing that
making real that..we truelly value