Well, it is unrealistic to expect zionism to die, but it will change form.

From its inception, zionism was never monolithic, it always had many streams. The common thread of zionism is that "Jews must live in Israel" - but how many Jews? what parts of Israel? what would be the status of those Jews? these questions were left open to interpretation. Zionism does not even necessarily imply sovereignty, it does not necessarily imply control of other people, it does not necessary imply living in the whole area of the legendary/biblical Israel, some streams such as Ahad Ha'am's "spiritual zionism" do not even call for all the Jews to live in israel, but only for the estabilshment of a Jewish spiritual center there by a selected few. Others believe that Jews must live in Israel for the sole reason that only there can a Jew fulfil all the biblical commandments. Yet others believe that zionism is necessarily tied up with socialism and others still believe that Jews must come to Israel because only there they can stop being Jewish. The variety is endless!

Lately, both zionism and the citizens of Israel, were hijacked by a Nazi version of zionism, essentially an American import from the school of Rabbi Kahane. These can only be described as TERRORISTS. Not just Arabs, but Israelis as well live in terror under them and even IDF army-officers are afraid to evacuate them from their illegal settlements for fear that their children will be kidnapped as a result. Of course these Nazis claim that they are the only *real* zionists, and the world actually believes them.

Ilan Baruch, whom the author praises, never actually spoke against zionism. He still considers himself as a zionist. He just said that he can no longer defend that particular interpretation of zionism.

I call on the readers to maintain realistic expectations rather than unfounded ones. I look forward to see the end of the Israeli occupation, but those who expect zionism to disappear with it, are up for a disappointment.

(for fair-disclosure, I personally do not consider myself a zionist)

By way of an answer to questions by Amicus, such questions as they are being addressed by his own comments, my historical interest is in the purges, murders and starvation of well over 25,000,000 peoples from Russian and bordering states, a figure sometimes listed at up to 40,000,000, as well as the purges by Hitler.

Stalin commenced a frightening ‘holocaust’ for which there are no equal in world history. The Russian people have gone each year from 1935 onwards without undue recognition by way of Shows, Museums , Exhibitions, Memorials, Foundations, Research Establishments and Education Centres. They have done this for 80 years without fuss. No less pain for all those families subject as they were to the evils of a man far worse than Adolph Hitler, namely Joseph Stalin who died in 1953 and who, right to the end was engaged in the cruel and inhumane treatment of human beings, well after the end of WWII.
Anyone having met people who survived those cruel days is well aware of the long term impact on the populations of Russians, everywhere. It shows. It is real.

Both of these evil people left a legacy of pain and suffering, Hitler in his purges of Gypsies, Communists, Jews and non-aryan peoples and Stalin in his purges of his own people and other ethnic groups and bordering countries.

With 70 Jewish ‘holocaust’ establishments scattered around the world, the equivalent Russian ‘holocaust’ memorials would have equalled over 300. The Russians did not choose to prolong or gain from such a period of great pain and suffering but the evidence is there for all to see on the occasions of such sad times of rememberance. The survivors chose to move on and as their torturer was in the main, of their blood, there was no advantage to sheeting home the responsibility to the rest of the world, who were not guilty of any crime at all.

Mans inhumanity to man, yet again.

So long as Israel Zionists have the USA as their bully,I cannot see much changing.The Zionists want all Jews to be hated since it makes their tribe bigger and creates stronger bonds for their security.

The Zionists are pushing hard for war with Iran to expand their empire.This is a corporate empire linked to the banking ,arms,oil,and resource industries.USA weapons inspectors have found no evidence of nukes or Iran wanting to produce them.Israel has many nukes ie at least 200 and some say in excess of 300.Every time they behave like a rabid dog the West fall over themselves to placate them,but now with the real threat of a war with China and Russia,perhaps now some in the West will have the balls to stand up to them.

Attacking Iran will have serious consequences for the entire planet since Iran has a defence pact with China ie Shanghai Co-operative Organistion.China has an independant Govt Banking system which is free for the Western Debt based system.If the West can establish their debt based system there,they can enslave China just like the rest of the Western Nations who are consumed by debt.

Notice how the suspicion and hate of China is being built bt the Corporate media.This all began as a war on so called terrorism.The concept is now expanded to mean home grown terrorists like peace-niks.
Fear of terrorism was created to replace fear of communism.The real terrorists are in our midst.

China and Russia are fully aware of what these Corporate Western powers are up to.The war drums are pounding and this one will make WW2 look like a Boston Tea Party.

Arjay,

It amazes me that you attribute that much intelligence to zionists, as if they are able to plan that much in advance (eg. to "want all Jews to be hated since it makes their tribe bigger and creates stronger bonds for their security"). In fact, this may actually prove to be a stupid strategy since most people do not enjoy being hated, so in their place I would instead attempt to hide my Jewishness rather than join the hated tribe and bond with it - wouldn't you do the same?! Also, your statment suggests that Zionists' security is not assured as it is, so is there anything wrong anyway with wanting to have security?

It also amazes me that you consider all zionists as a monolithic entity whereas in reality they pull each other's hairs.

Re Iran, Hitler also had a pact with Japan, which was stronger than China at the time. He also didn't have nukes yet (but was close to having them by the end of WWII). Does it mean that it was wrong to attack him? Should the allies have waited until he actually acquired those nukes? Yes the war drums are pounding and that's because Iran currently has similar ambitions and is in a very similar situation to Germany of the late 1930's.

You mentioned China and Russia, so I wonder what are your views in relation to Tibet, Taiwan and Chechnya. How are these consistent with your views on Palestine?

Yuyutsu.The Zionists may be disparate groups but when common interests come to the fore,they act as one.Webster Tarpley describes like atrophism.The way a plant reacts to light.It doesn't take a lot of intelligence to work out power plays.

Arjay,

Your post is hardly legible. I hope I understood it corretly:

Perhaps one or two examples of common zionist interests could help clarify what you meant.

Plants respond to light in many ways, some not as obvious as others and so are people when responding to hate.
Plants react to light, but I haven't yet seen a plant that deliberately switches the light on (or off) in order to achieve a given reaction by its fellow-plants, such as to make them more friendly and sympathetic towards itself.

You have still not answered my questions.