Such a good article. The Israeli govt certainly can't continue to play the victim card, labelling any comment that are against their illegal actions as 'anti-semitism' . . the world is clearly growing tired of this.

The real pity is from what I hear is that so many Israelis living in Israel and the Palestinian territories have no real idea as to the real situation as they are so brainwashed by their own media who tells them that they are the victims.

One thing that is quite evident, sadly evident, is that the truth is that the Israeli government have not been and are not now really serious about Peace, they genuinely believe that the whole region is theirs and they are to do what they want with it regardless of the original inhabitants of our day, who have spent their lives and their parents and grandparents and so on have spent their lives there. They dont make real concessions because they don't want a real solution, they look at it from a sum-zero perspective

Israel was once the cause celebre for the inner city lefties. In 1967, when the Arabs made it ubundantly clear that they were going to wipe Israel clean off the map, trendy lefties fell all over each other supporting Israel.

Whenever there is trouble, inner city trendies figure out who is to blame by using a rule of thumb. Figure out who is the Oppressor, and who is the Oppressed. In 1967, when Egypt committed an act of war by blockading the Israeli port of Eilat, and the Arabs nations lined up to invade, Israel was the obviously the Oppressed.

In the decade following, well, you were just not cool unless you were a trendy, and had worked on a kibbutz. Israel was Flavour of the Month for western inner city lefties.

But the problem for Israel, was it just kept winning its wars. And if there is one thing that trendoids hate, it is a winner. Since winners are always Oppressors, and losers are always the Oppressed, overnight Israel become the Bad Guys.

For all you naive little trendies, I will state for you clearly what the problem is. Islam is an evil religion which sees nothing wrong with expanding by the sword. Islam conquored "Palestine", knocked down Judaism's the Second Temple, and built a dirty great mosque on top of it. It is their way of saying that this is now Islamic land forever.

Israel's existence is an unacceptable affront to Allah, and for Muslims it represents a backward step for Islam's onward conquest of the world. The so called plight of the "Palestinian" Arabs is nothing but an excuse to fool gullible young World Saver westerners.

One thought that trendies prefer not to well upon, is that Islamic countries have already ethnically cleansed most of their religious minorities. So for Muslims to cry about Israeli treatment of "Palestinians" looks like total hypocrisy to me.

An accurate assessment of the way things are, Rose Anon,

Right now in an endeavour to “upgrade” their military capability, they are considering asking the US fior another US$20 billion, from a country now enjoying an extreme right wing government, thanks to the inadequacies of Obama and who in their first term will cancel out a health scheme for the poor. This US$20 billion would have made a valuable contribution to such a scheme so even in the US, every citizen is adversely affected by the parasitic nature of Israel.

However, by way of contract and on the other side of the ledger, Egyptian sources have revealed that an Israeli company has so far provided Gaddafi’s regime with 50,000 African mercenaries to attack the civilian anti-government protesters in Libya. Gaddafi regime pays $2000 per day for each mercenary. The mercenaries receive $100 per day and the remaining goes to Global CST, an Israeli government contractor, the report says. So that is US$ 1900 per day by 50,000 indicating that they still know how to make a profit in the business of destabilisation and false flag operations plus the odd assassinations or two. Experts one could say.

The marketing campaigns, #1“holocaust” and #2 “anti-semitism” , have both run their course after 66 years,. However, the naive members of the Gillard sponsored “Leadership Conferences” to Israel designed for her chosen politicians and public servants (17 returned in December ) are still subject to the Holocaust sideshows as part of the brainwashing. The remainder of the world is weary of this marketing, very well funded, naturally. as it is US “aid” money.
But it is in the US that they have scored well with 80% of the corrupt Senate and Congress dancing to their tune.

Australians have been nauseated by the Zionist Obama theatre this week

Academy Award stuff

Hey leog - ya nailed it, mate

Fact is the Left loved Israel cause it...in the early days... was a living, breathing example of their beloved communism. Kibbutzim was the way of the world as they saw it! Get behind it!

But then, alas for them, Israel abandoned the collective and for that the Left has never forgiven her

Cie la vie

Israel has long lived by the mantra of never again and never again will they rely on the "good will" of the rest of world.

They thru their IDF and Air force will take whatever steps it requires to endure their survival and the rest of the world can either support or not. I matters not.

As the old saying goes..."The day the Pallies put down their weapons, there will be peace. The day the Jew puts down theirs, the state of Israel will cease to exist."

Aint happenin'....!

rexw "The marketing campaigns, #1“holocaust”"

Are you a Holocaust denier?

That is just a disgusting thing to say .. to call it a marketing campaign .. truly disgusting, and low

Europe is "fed up with Israel"?

Gosh, Israel must be devastated! Can anyone point to a single reason, why the world's Jews should give a damn what Europe thinks?

As Europe is over-run with Islamists, and progressively destroyed from within, it seems appropriate that they reflect on who replaced the Jews that they drove out during the Second World War.

Well, it is unrealistic to expect zionism to die, but it will change form.

From its inception, zionism was never monolithic, it always had many streams. The common thread of zionism is that "Jews must live in Israel" - but how many Jews? what parts of Israel? what would be the status of those Jews? these questions were left open to interpretation. Zionism does not even necessarily imply sovereignty, it does not necessarily imply control of other people, it does not necessary imply living in the whole area of the legendary/biblical Israel, some streams such as Ahad Ha'am's "spiritual zionism" do not even call for all the Jews to live in israel, but only for the estabilshment of a Jewish spiritual center there by a selected few. Others believe that Jews must live in Israel for the sole reason that only there can a Jew fulfil all the biblical commandments. Yet others believe that zionism is necessarily tied up with socialism and others still believe that Jews must come to Israel because only there they can stop being Jewish. The variety is endless!

Lately, both zionism and the citizens of Israel, were hijacked by a Nazi version of zionism, essentially an American import from the school of Rabbi Kahane. These can only be described as TERRORISTS. Not just Arabs, but Israelis as well live in terror under them and even IDF army-officers are afraid to evacuate them from their illegal settlements for fear that their children will be kidnapped as a result. Of course these Nazis claim that they are the only *real* zionists, and the world actually believes them.

Ilan Baruch, whom the author praises, never actually spoke against zionism. He still considers himself as a zionist. He just said that he can no longer defend that particular interpretation of zionism.

I call on the readers to maintain realistic expectations rather than unfounded ones. I look forward to see the end of the Israeli occupation, but those who expect zionism to disappear with it, are up for a disappointment.

(for fair-disclosure, I personally do not consider myself a zionist)

By way of an answer to questions by Amicus, such questions as they are being addressed by his own comments, my historical interest is in the purges, murders and starvation of well over 25,000,000 peoples from Russian and bordering states, a figure sometimes listed at up to 40,000,000, as well as the purges by Hitler.

Stalin commenced a frightening ‘holocaust’ for which there are no equal in world history. The Russian people have gone each year from 1935 onwards without undue recognition by way of Shows, Museums , Exhibitions, Memorials, Foundations, Research Establishments and Education Centres. They have done this for 80 years without fuss. No less pain for all those families subject as they were to the evils of a man far worse than Adolph Hitler, namely Joseph Stalin who died in 1953 and who, right to the end was engaged in the cruel and inhumane treatment of human beings, well after the end of WWII.
Anyone having met people who survived those cruel days is well aware of the long term impact on the populations of Russians, everywhere. It shows. It is real.

Both of these evil people left a legacy of pain and suffering, Hitler in his purges of Gypsies, Communists, Jews and non-aryan peoples and Stalin in his purges of his own people and other ethnic groups and bordering countries.

With 70 Jewish ‘holocaust’ establishments scattered around the world, the equivalent Russian ‘holocaust’ memorials would have equalled over 300. The Russians did not choose to prolong or gain from such a period of great pain and suffering but the evidence is there for all to see on the occasions of such sad times of rememberance. The survivors chose to move on and as their torturer was in the main, of their blood, there was no advantage to sheeting home the responsibility to the rest of the world, who were not guilty of any crime at all.

Mans inhumanity to man, yet again.

So long as Israel Zionists have the USA as their bully,I cannot see much changing.The Zionists want all Jews to be hated since it makes their tribe bigger and creates stronger bonds for their security.

The Zionists are pushing hard for war with Iran to expand their empire.This is a corporate empire linked to the banking ,arms,oil,and resource industries.USA weapons inspectors have found no evidence of nukes or Iran wanting to produce them.Israel has many nukes ie at least 200 and some say in excess of 300.Every time they behave like a rabid dog the West fall over themselves to placate them,but now with the real threat of a war with China and Russia,perhaps now some in the West will have the balls to stand up to them.

Attacking Iran will have serious consequences for the entire planet since Iran has a defence pact with China ie Shanghai Co-operative Organistion.China has an independant Govt Banking system which is free for the Western Debt based system.If the West can establish their debt based system there,they can enslave China just like the rest of the Western Nations who are consumed by debt.

Notice how the suspicion and hate of China is being built bt the Corporate media.This all began as a war on so called terrorism.The concept is now expanded to mean home grown terrorists like peace-niks.
Fear of terrorism was created to replace fear of communism.The real terrorists are in our midst.

China and Russia are fully aware of what these Corporate Western powers are up to.The war drums are pounding and this one will make WW2 look like a Boston Tea Party.

Arjay,

It amazes me that you attribute that much intelligence to zionists, as if they are able to plan that much in advance (eg. to "want all Jews to be hated since it makes their tribe bigger and creates stronger bonds for their security"). In fact, this may actually prove to be a stupid strategy since most people do not enjoy being hated, so in their place I would instead attempt to hide my Jewishness rather than join the hated tribe and bond with it - wouldn't you do the same?! Also, your statment suggests that Zionists' security is not assured as it is, so is there anything wrong anyway with wanting to have security?

It also amazes me that you consider all zionists as a monolithic entity whereas in reality they pull each other's hairs.

Re Iran, Hitler also had a pact with Japan, which was stronger than China at the time. He also didn't have nukes yet (but was close to having them by the end of WWII). Does it mean that it was wrong to attack him? Should the allies have waited until he actually acquired those nukes? Yes the war drums are pounding and that's because Iran currently has similar ambitions and is in a very similar situation to Germany of the late 1930's.

You mentioned China and Russia, so I wonder what are your views in relation to Tibet, Taiwan and Chechnya. How are these consistent with your views on Palestine?

Yuyutsu.The Zionists may be disparate groups but when common interests come to the fore,they act as one.Webster Tarpley describes like atrophism.The way a plant reacts to light.It doesn't take a lot of intelligence to work out power plays.

Arjay,

Your post is hardly legible. I hope I understood it corretly:

Perhaps one or two examples of common zionist interests could help clarify what you meant.

Plants respond to light in many ways, some not as obvious as others and so are people when responding to hate.
Plants react to light, but I haven't yet seen a plant that deliberately switches the light on (or off) in order to achieve a given reaction by its fellow-plants, such as to make them more friendly and sympathetic towards itself.

You have still not answered my questions.

At the end of the day, all this babble about jews, arabs, zionism, occupation, who's right and who's wrong is just that...babble

The premise of peace in the region always and always will be whether the Palestinians an other Arab (read muslim) states accept Israels right to exist

Simple.

Nothing else is in the mix or if they are...they are red herrings

The simple fact is...they dont, wont and never will accept her.

So the status quo of keeping each other at arms length is the only solution.

Sorry but thats the way it is.

And believing anything else is folly that WILL lead to the end of the sate of Israel which as I said before..

...aint happenin'.

Sorry Allah....live with it.

Dear Yakabebe,

Perhaps you are right in your estimate of Arabs/Muslims. I hope you are wrong on that point, but perhaps you are right.

Even if the Arabs will never accept Israel's existence, this does not justify Israel behaving as a rogue state and retaining its pariah status, it does not imply that Israel cannot or should not be accepted as a respectable member of the family of nations, if not by the Arabs then at least by the rest of the world.

The occupation and settlements are against Israel's own best interests. They harm Israel more than they harm anyone else, certainly not the Arabs, who couldn't care less about ordinary Palestinians (in fact, the more Palestinians suffer, the happier the Arabs because it fuels their propaganda campaign). The occupation corrodes Israel from within, undermining its moral underpinnings, introducing a standard of violence and militarism into every aspect of Israeli life (including domestic, road and school violence, crime and official corruption). It also sucks out any ounce of pride for being Israeli and any desire to volunteer and do something good for it.

Israel was created and flourished against all odds only due to its moral superiority, but once Israel loses even its remaining slight moral advantage which it still retains over its surrounding countries, it will cease to exist and then there will be nothing to be sad for, once all that remained was anyway just the body but not the soul.

In 1967, Israel tragically fell into a honey-trap set by the Arab world. It took the bait, and one of the results is that today it is a pariah state. It is probably still not too late to recover from that poison, it is still probably possible to throw it up, but time is of the essence.

We should be thankful to forum members, such as Rose, Rexw and Arjay for whipping Israel. Perhaps Israel can still be saved.

Yuy - when you mention that Israel fell for the honeytrap set by the Arabs in 67 - remember, mate - the alternative was to get beat and annihilated. Sowmehow I think they did the right thing

The "occupied" territory's rae a set of disputed territories and according to yours and others theses...Israel could make all things go great simply by giving them back

Well..we did that with Gaza and from Day 1 the rockets commenced. Day 1.

Really what is to be gained by giving them back?

In each and every case, every concession made by the Jews (BTW..name one that the Palestinians have made....) but every one of the Jews has been greeted by the Palestinians as merely the intervening step on their way to the eradication of the Zionist (read Jew) state.

Giving back Gaza, then W/B & then Jerusalem would simply embolden them to the next phase except now all of Israel would be within ready striking distance of the rockets

Simply doesnt work mate.

Dear Yakabebe,

"the alternative was to get beat and annihilated. Sowmehow I think they did the right thing"

It was indeed the right thing in 1967 to enter and hit the Arab armies as severly as possible, but then it was the right thing to leave the place shortly after.

"The "occupied" territory's rae a set of disputed territories and according to yours and others theses..."

Note that I deliberately avoided the issue of "land-rights" and only discussed what is good for Israel. If you do not have the right to disown a piece of property, then you do not own it [Baldy Harper]!

"Israel could make all things go great simply by giving them back"

Certainly no ALL things, that would amount to magic/miracles.
But certain things, yes.

"Well..we did that with Gaza and from Day 1 the rockets commenced. Day 1."

Way too late... still, better than never.

"Really what is to be gained by giving them back?"

Otherwise, Israel would have been even deeper under morally (deeper than 6 feet) than it is now, and even more hated by the whole world than it currently is. Chances are that it would already by now be bent under heavy sanctions.

"In each and every case, every concession made by the Jews (BTW..name one that the Palestinians have made....) but every one of the Jews has been greeted by the Palestinians as merely the intervening step on their way to the eradication of the Zionist (read Jew) state."

Since when were the Palestinians appointed as your moral compass? Since when have they been allowed to dictate Israel's behaviour? Haven't Israel got any independence left?
(just imagine what havoc the Pals could do to Israel if they had an inside-knowledge that whatever they say obliges you to do the opposite...)

"Giving back Gaza, then W/B & then Jerusalem would simply embolden them to the next phase except now all of Israel would be within ready striking distance of the rockets"

That may be, but you should weigh in the crucial advantages, rather than base your policy on a single inconvenience.

Yuyustu,you have to be kidding.Plants soon work out where the energy comes from,much like insecure humans seeking power.Don't try to obsfucate.You know what I mean but don't like confronting the truth.

Many are trying to blame it all on Israel when in fact there are many corporate international players pushing for the War agenda.They want to liberate Libya and Iran not to help their people but to take the oil.

Humans have turned into disgusting pariahs who feed off the good will and endeavours of their own species.It will not end well.They were wrong about WW1 to be the war to end all wars.On the third time they will fulfill their aspirations.Humans definetly have a self destructive gene.

Your analysis was absolutley right about the USA and oil, Arjay.

You might also be interested to know, that the reason why the USA invaded Germany 1n 1945, in order to topple the popular and democratically elected leader of Germany (Adolph Hitler) was because President Roosevelt had ties to Big Beer, and the USA wanted to take over the German beer industry.

What was even worse, was that those stupid Americans believed the the utterly spurious claim made by controversial Jewish scientists like Albert Einstein, that Hitler was tryimg to build an atom bomb using the heavy water (H3O) method. This claim was was shown to be false when the Adolph Hitler made a public statement denying the rumours, and inviting international inspectors to investigate.

It is true that these inspectors were stuffed around and made fools of by the Nationalist SOCIALIST German governement, but that that did not prove anything, and the Germans should have been given the benefit of the doubt.

The invasion of Germany produced thousands of civilian casuaties as well as huge environmental damage, and all for Big Beer.

It is believed that the invasion almost completely destroyed the habitat of a unique and endangered species, the Spineless French Frog.

What was worse, was that tens of thousands of German soldiers were incarceated in POW camps without charges, some of them were "rendered" to camps in Allied countries, and they were all denied legal representation.

Claims by Jews that the Germans were massacring millions of Jewish civilians in extermination camps was obviously Jewish propaganda and remains to this day an unproven charge.

You are absolutely right, Arjay, the USA is just evil. Onya, mate.

Lego for your information 1,500,000 Jewish civilians died at Auschwitz, 800,000 died at Treblinka, 434,508 at Belzec and 150,000 each at Sobibor and Kulmhof. There were other concentration camps at Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald and Dachau. These figures do not include the approximately one and a half million Jewish civilians who were shot at open air shootings such as Babi Yar in the Ukraine. In addition the NAZI regime was responsible for a euthanasia program which killed off the mentally ill etc; the extermination of the Roma not to mention homosexuals etc. All these facts and many more are freely available in German sources. For example, if you visit the Holocaust museum in Berlin you will see at the entrance a book listing the names of Jewish erstwhile residents of Berlin who were exterminated or to use their word "verschollen"

Dear Seneca.

You must not have much between your ears if you did not recognise that my article was entirely sarcastic. For God's sake, did you really think I was serious? Hahahahahahaha! Stop it, your killing me!

You must vote for the Greens. I have an Opera House in Sydney for sale for $5oo bucks. It has water views of Sydney harbour. Would you like to buy it?

Much to your surprise I have sufficient between my ears to be a serious reader of history, politics and philosophy and in another guise contribute articles which have EVEN appeared in Online Opinion.

I regard your sense of humour when it comes to certain topics as quite unfunny.

As a matter of fact on further reflection your comments say a great deal about you and what they say isn't exactly complimentary.

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion encompass all the nasty things Israel is accused of doing & planning to do by some of the above. The fact that it was an early conspiracy theory written in 1903 by Russian anti-semites and used by used by Hitler to justify the Holocaust seems to have been forgotten. Using today's terminology, we're dealing with what the New Euphemists call 'ethnic cleansing'. With vanishingly few exceptions (e.g. Tunisia), Jews have been expelled from the Middle East, North Africa and Russia, where they had lived for millennia. Within Israel, 16% of the population is Arab, and Muslim. Three times, since 1948, Israel's neighbours have waged wars explicitly intended to exterminate Jews. Twice in the last 30 years, Israel has negotiated peace with Palestine and Arab nations under international auspices — in both instances, Yasser Arafat unilaterally failed to deliver what, on behalf of Palestine, he had promised. Israel is a multicultural democracy. Syria, Iran, Libya and now Lebanon and Gaza, are oppressive dictatorships promulgating extermination of Israel and the Jews. If the road to peace requires naming and shaming 'pariah' states, wouldn't it make sense to include a few of those countries which presently -- some for half a century -- insist that there can be no peace until Israel is destroyed?