PS: Not only heard and heeded but that in most cases friends will also look after each other.

I have harped on to both my kids about never leaving drinks unattended. One telling experience unfortunately occurred when a young girl of 16 years was raped (from their school) at a party having been slipped a 'rape date drug'. I am not sure how you can ever prevent these situations happening in truth, young people do take risks and one hopes that perpetrators are bought to justice as often as possible. If crimes are perceived as easy to get away with and without consequence, it makes a mockery of the whole responsibility thing.

And yes there is a difference between 'blaming' and teaching safe behaviours which is just a fact of life.

The incidence of claims of 'My drink was spiked' vastly outweigh the actual drink spiking occurrences. It's a ready made excuse for drinking too much and the resulting embarrassing behaviour.

Just like the 'food poisoning' from the kebab on the way home.

People drink, have sex and vomit. Sometimes they drink, vomit, have sex. Sometimes they drink, vomit and sleep in the gutter. Sometimes they drink, make a pass at the boss' wife, sing bad karaoke, and tell their mates they love them. Sometimes they drink, vomit, then shag the ugliest guy around, or their boyfriend's brother. Sometimes they drink, vomit (Tactical chunder) then drink more, and go on to the next stage of the evening that includes 3 extacy tablets or a gram of coke.

But the next morning, when one needs to save face, a true saviour arrives. It was that dastardly drink spiker again! He's everywhere! Or maybe his evil henchman the salmonella kebab man!

PS: The Tequila shots aren't the problem, it's the 8 pints you had previous to that.

PPS: Eating is cheating.

vanna "and you will find more drunken women than you can count"

yet there are very few cases of charges of rape which I'm aware of which look like morning after regrets. Most women do take responsibility for their own choices. It's the small but vocal group pushing the "a woman can't consent when drunk so any regrets are the man's fault" crowd and their followers which are the problem not the majority who take responsibility for their choices.

The training you refer to is being challenged, this article is an example of such a challenge.

Squeers the point you made is an important one. I've been amazed at the miscommunition that occurs at times. I think I'd allocate a greater portion to malice than Pelican appears to do but I've seen enough examples of posters I respect seemingly badly misunderstanding each other to know that it's not all mallice.

R0bert

Squeers,
So you live off the taxpayer to carry out name dropping, and to refer to 50% of Australia’s population as being "established failures".

What an inspiration you must be for your students, and what a feminist.

But thinking out of the box, (and someone of your great academic wisdom could definitely answer this question), why don’t women invent their own drinks, if getting drunk on alcohol is a problem for them?

There is nothing stopping women from inventing their own drinks, just for women.

Or maybe even you could invent a new type of drink for women (being a radical thinker and all that).

Houellebecq
Yes drink spiking was a huge problem, but it now seems under control, and very little is heard about it.

Probably because they finally started to test the blood of alleged drink spiking victims, and found nearly every one of them had no other drug in their bloodstream except alcohol, and often marijuana.

So now it's raping women when they are drunk that is a huge problem.

It seems to be something new every year.

I get the feeling that many posters seem to think it is mainly drunken, half naked, pub-going, good-time girls, who put themselves out there as being 'irresponsible' and therefore leaving themselves open for sexual assault by strange men.

According to official statistics, 58% of sexual assaults are perpetrated by someone already known to the victim, and furthermore 64% of sexual assault against females occurs in their own home.
Alcohol was involved in 38.1% of sexual assault cases and
Alcohol was not involved in 60.2% of sexual assault cases.

The following report makes for sobering reading.

Source: National Association of Services Against Sexual
Violence, National Data Collection Project, 2000,
http://www.secasa.com.au/reports/45230_2004%20SA%20in%20Aus%20_overview%202004.pdf

Suzie can I suggest a re-read of the article to get the context of the discussion. It's not about broader area's of rape and sexual assault, important though they may be.

It's quite specifically about issues around heavy drinking and the way responsibility for poor choices in that state is handled. It's not about excusing genuine rapists, it's not about the the horror facing genuine rape victims.

It's in part about the silliness of politically inspired gender agenda's which refuse to tell young women to take some responsibility for their own choices in risky situations.

From may part it leads to debate about the dangers of taught socialised values which lead to guilt about sexual wants and the all to common result of using intoxication to overcome inhibitions.

It should touch on why some of the very ugly messages from some pop culture has such appeal.

It could get to discussions about why so many young women seem to prefer the bad boy's to the nice guy's?

R0bert