Atman.Popular mechanics will not save the liars nor yourself.The anomalies if 911 are enormous.Many commissioners who served in the 911 Commission call it a whitewash.89% of Germans along with 77% of Australians and Americans do not believe the official story.There are now 1400+ architects and engineers,400+ professors 220+ ex CIA/military,ex Govt + other officials and many others at http://patriotsquestion911.com/ who think it is a coverup.Notice that Ray McGovern is a prominant supporter on this site along with hundreds of prominant political leaders around the planet saying it is a coverup.When the fascists are afoot,you do not lightly put your neck and reputation on the chopping block.

This is not like climate science,it is forensic science where there is little margin for error.

Atman either enter into to real debate about detail of admit defeat.How did all 3 buildings fall at freefall in their own footprints leaving no evidence of a layered collapse as in Christchurch? Many buildings in Christchurch fell over as well as leaving evidence of layered floors.Freefall speeds means that the buildings had no resistance to gravity whatsoever,which is impossible.All the buildings at the 911 WTC were totally dis-membered with concrete being turned to dust and steel left molten.Aircraft fuel will only burn to half the temps of molten steel in optimum conditions.The fires burned for weeks underground even though they poured millions if litres of water on it.Nano-thermite has its own oxygen supply and can burn without exposure to air.It's existance has been proven by Prof Neils Harritt and his team of 9 international scienists whose peer reviewed paper has not been disputed.Govts will not even try to debunk it.Nano-thermite is a highly sophistocated military explosive which cannot be made by cave dwellers in Afghanistan.

So put up Atman,or shut up!

I think John Pilger has echoed the sentiments of many of us who are wondering what the hell is going on with a country that sees itself as that great bastion of Jeffersonian ideals - One quick point on McGovern, in a true fascist state the video would not have made it out, and McGovern would have been jailed indefinetely without his rights. He has his freedom, his rights and the footage to promote his cause and to embarass Clinton and the administration - surely not too sinister an episode!

Interuptus,Obama has strengthened his Preventative Detention presidential edicts.They are in the process of widening the definition of a terrorist.People like Ray McGovern may soon be incarcerated infinietly without trial.All they need is another false flag event and bring in martial law.

They are following the formula set out by the Third Reich.Hilter has a Dept of Homeland security and did many of the things the USA is doing now.See Naomi Wolf's 10 Steps to Fascism.http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment The USA qualifies in all areas to some degree.We have Howards Sedition Laws which do much the same thing.

They have used fear of terrorism and climate change to take away our rights.Humans are seen by the elites as a blight on the planet that must be controlled or exterminated.

Freedom or Fascism.The choice is ours.

Sometimes, concentrating too hard on "what is America doing" takes the eye off the main game.

The current crop of problems in the Middle East are almost exclusively economic. Not "oil-producing" economic, but simple, household finance type economic.

Libya has substantial oil revenues (25% of GDP) and a small population. This gives them one of the highest per capita GDPs in Africa, but from what we've heard and seen over the past week or so, not much is getting past the "rulers" (read: institutionalized bandits).

http://www.indexmundi.com/libya/gdp_per_capita_(ppp).html

When it becomes increasingly clear to the people - whether they find out via Twitter, Facebook or whatever - that they are being dudded by the ruling classes, something will eventually give.

The present upheavals have nothing to do with the US. Less than nothing, in some places, in that US intervention is as unwelcome as their existing dictatorships.

It can now be argued with much more evidence that the "it had to happen" Bush/Blair justification of their Iraq invasion was no more than the self-important flanneling of two over-promoted hacks. Left to itself, Iraq would have certainly gone the same way, with far less bloodshed and far fewer long-term consequences, as the current crop of ousters. They may even have led the pack, who knows.

I totally disagree with anyone who perceives any form of vast conspiracy in all this, however. Plain straightforward human failings, such as social blindness and hubris, are all that is needed to make a thorough mess of things.

And Arjay, it should be obvious by now that your 9/11 fantasies are yesterday's news. The world has moved on. It never passed the "ok, so how did it all come together" test anyway, so do yourself a favour and drop it.

Pericles you sometimes write errant nonsense and this is a classic example.Libya has a lot of wealth but owned by a few.Much of the unrest is USA/Israel inspired.They don't have all those think tanks working for nothing.They are causing unrest in oil rich countries to set up their own puppet despot for control of oil.Zimbabwe needed saving 20yrs ago but forgot to find oil.We didn't give a rat's about East Timor until oil was found there.Afghanistan has $ trillions in lithium and the route for oil/gas piplines from Turkmenistan.

Then we have the present play for Iran which US weapons inspectors say Iran is of no threat.Israel has 200+ nukes but alas no inspectors.Robert Baer who Nick Caldis( deputy Commissioner for security and terrorism NSW) introduced to Ray Hadley says here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRGsv9_ZxL8 Baer says Iran is of no threat and on here http://patriotsquestion911.com/ saying there evidence to Govt involvement in 911.Ray McGovern is on this site with other CIA asking for a new enquiry.Even Charlie Sheen is in there with 200+ people in the entertainment industry.

Its not yesterdays news.It is a festering sore of fascism that has enabled the Sedition Laws here,The Patriot Act,Preventative Dentention,and now Obama's prolonged Detention.The fascism is palpable and real as the false flag events of 911.John Pilger is 100% correct and so is rexw.

The elites have been seriously caught out and now are pushing for war as their escape from their own people.They will take us to the brink of extinction rather than face justice.

That was my point, Arjay.

>>Libya has a lot of wealth but owned by a few<<

And people get fed up with it, even without prompting from the Great Satan.

Incidentally, check out the latest Gaddafi video.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12605179

You two are starting to sound alike. Which is not a particularly Good Thing.

For either of you.