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Victoria, religious freedom and those that don't get it : Comments

By Danny Stevens, published 18/2/2011

Oppressing employees religious freedom is not an act of religious freedom.

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Cornflower

'Having had Freemasons in the family and in our acquaintance, I am certain that they are a mutual admiration society, seeking (and finding from all accounts) fraternal support for a moral, non-discriminatory existence with sacrifice and nothing odd meant by that. They spend their free time serving charities for goodness sakes. A thousand percent better than them being in the pub, or at the TAB.'

I know a number of Freemasons and have had them in my family also. They do much good community work as do many other groups. They are to be admired for that. I personally doubt that any committed Christian would compromise their faith in praying to the 'Great architect of the universe'. You will find with limited study though many Freemasons are unaware of it they are very much a religion. These are the authoritive sources fro Freemasonry

‘the Ritual –what happens in the lodge
Coil’s Masonic Encyclopedia
Mackey’s Revised Encyclopedia
Introduction to Freenasonry by Carl Claudy
A Masonic Readers Guide by Alphonse Cersa
History of Freemasonry by Robert Gould
The Craft and its Symbols by Allen Roberts
Morals and Dogmas

Really a little more than a nice social club for my liking.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 6:55:23 PM
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Dear me, runner.

Read will you.

You can't read a bible, can you read anyting?

Evolution is a very boring fact.

Get over it. Go tell pastor it embarrasses you that he maintains otherwise.

Rusty
Posted by Rusty Catheter, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 11:48:54 PM
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Has there been a thread with so many postings 'deleted for abuse'? I haven't seen so many before.

But getting back to the topic.

The whole purpose of faith based organisation is to spread the faith that they hold. Unlike the secular world (except maybe the party political sphere, which I will get back to shortly) faith based organisations do not make a distinction between whoever is in the pulpit and the person cleaning the pulpit, or the person writing curriculae and the person delivering it. It comes down to the fact that the people involved inthis activity must all be seen as working towards the same goal, or at least not opposing it.

All it takes is one inside person who, by personal example or speech, goes against the aims of the organisation and much of the work of that organisation would be undone.

I mentioned political parties: would the Liberal Party employ in a senior management role the head of a Labor Party branch? Would the Greens employ a senior member of One Nation? Sure, they would never declare that they wouldn't, but would find another reason to employ someone else.

My last point at this time, knowing what a faith based organisation stands for, why would anyone who at least is not neutral about that, or who is not willing to walk the walk, if not talk the talk, even want to work for that faith basd organisation?
Posted by Dougthebear, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 7:36:13 AM
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http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11638#199128

Gday Runner, i do like the term "protestant" christian because it always was a protest movement against corruption in both the Anglican & Catholic churches at the time. Plus against corruption politically, as well, all over Britain, Europe & North America. It is also what i was taught in both state & sunday school history lessons.

And i do disagree about the Loony Left being godless. They prattle on constantly about "mother nature", "GAIA", or some OTHER, new or old religion, (which they intend to replace Christianity with), then dare to belittle Christians, about having faith in our god.

But there is another aspect to this, that many Christians have not noticed. Devil worship, at lower levels, freemasonry is indeed a harmless social club that often does good work, like Lions club or Rotary.

At higher levels though, late 20's, early 30's, it is without a shadow of doubt, pure, stone, cold, evil, Devil worship. Look at the Luciferian Lies of their Spin Doctors, Weasel Words, Propaganda. Always, the exact opposite of the truth, or at best, a half truth, designed to deceive.

Loony Left politics is called "Socialism" but the "devil in the detail" of their "practical policy", as opposed to the the flowery, rhetoric of their mission statements, is ALL, "ANTI" Social.

They call it Communism & yet it is, in fact, "ANTI" community.

Make no mistake, many of them are indeed, practicing Satanists. As you said, "witness" their vitriolic responses to you & all other Christians, constantly on these debates.

They are NOT secular, "humanists", or merely disagreeing with you, on some matter of politics, they hate, loath, despise, Christianity & anything good or wholesome.

Q, What is the most efficient way to "groom" millions of children for abuse? A, break up the family, something they have been working assiduously on, for many years.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11638#199139

Runner again, on the churches "losing their salt". Have you seen these ones, on a plot to have young Communists going into seminary to become Catholic priests?

http://romancatholicheroes.blogspot.com/2009/03/bella-dodd.html

http://www.savethemales.ca/160303.html

Would not such a person be tempted by the flesh?
Posted by Formersnag, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 12:09:51 PM
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http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11638#199140

Cornflower, you can be quite sensible on some matters. Why can't you believe that Communists would want to infiltrate the Loony Left GAYLP factions in order to pervert our country, from within government?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/the-covert-comrades-in-the-alp/story-e6frg6zo-1225887087909

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=5vajlNhSzWYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=mark+aarons+the+family+file&source=bl&ots=_JqnT4mkHv&sig=23tiin36Jjg84b7-Ttuxxp7L3gI&hl=en&ei=jKD0TOiQD8fzcfH_mMcE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false

Or everything else of some importance, for that matter.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/radical-roots-seep-through-at-the-heart-of-greens-20100726-10sj0.html?skin=text-only

http://www.henrymakow.com/australian_satanist_exposes_wo.html

http://www.savethemales.ca/000185.html

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8103359

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

http://www.heineraffair.info/

http://australiancontacts.ning.com/video/australian-new-world-order

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fabian_Society

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frankfurt_School

http://www.mailstar.net/xTrots.html

http://www.themonthly.com.au/node/2298

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/8696960/nsw-labor-plummets-in-poll/

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8630135369495797236#

All of the above are relevant to the GAYLP's imminent de-registration, Cornflower, but the last half dozen are among my personal all time favourites.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/do-not-feel-afraid-gaia-is-with-us/story-e6frezz0-1225980594646

GAIA? Exporting Jobs? Child Neglect & Abuse is good? 100% of all Aussie husbands were raping their wives in the 1950's?

Ye gods do you actually believe this drivel that has been done by &/or promoted by, the Closet Communist GAYLP?

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11638#199141

Runner again, i think that "god helps those that help themselves" & it is up to us to ridicule, the ANTI social, ANTI community, ANTI family, ANTI Christian, Closet Communist Corporate Paedophiles of the Loony Left at every turn. Time for the boot to be on the other foot.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11638#199142

Dear Yuyutsu, i & every other Aussie have been tolerant towards everybody over the last half century or so. THEY, (especially everybody on the Loony Left) responded by being "IN" tolerant towards Moderate, Mainstream, Middle of the road, Middle class, Christian, fair, reasonable people. Who make up between 70% & 80% of the population BTW.

I seem to remember you saying once that you are, or were an AFP officer.

Can you think of anything good about, most members of the extreme, radical, Loony Left, factions of the Red/green, getup, GAYLP, Socialist Alliance engaging in a deliberate, premeditated, conspiracy to commit acts of social, economic & cultural treason/sedition, repeatedly over half a century?

Especially when the result is the neglect & abuse of children?

Stop stumbling forwards, punch drunk, lurching from one disaster to the next, like Jooolia wants. Look backwards with 20/20 hindsight.

Multiculturalism was invented by Communists to weaken, destabilise, Strong, Healthy, Mono-cultural societies. The evidence is everywhere around you.
Posted by Formersnag, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 1:32:34 PM
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Me, an AFP officer? Oh Dear!

Me, who disapproves of 90% of Australia's laws and of the government's moral right to legislate such laws in the first place, am going to serve Julia and her clones by enforcing their laws, me knocking on doors saying: "You have 5 seconds to open that door and let those guys install the NBN at your home, or else I'll break that door and shoot you down"?

Government should step right out of our lives, and one of the areas they have no mandate to interfere with in the first place is culture: mono-culturalism, multi-culturalism, western-culturalism, eastern-culturalism, Christian-culturalism, Muslim-culturalism, aboriginal-culturalism, whatever - it's up to individuals and the voluntary associations they form to decide which culture (if any) they want to live in.

Yes, Australian Christians are indeed a tolreant lot, unlike their American counterparts who burn abortion-clinics and shoot their doctors, Muslims who blow themselves up in infidel tourist-sites or the Jewish-Orthodocs in Israel who stab gays (notwhistanding the fact that they have above-average closet-homosexuals in their midst) and force women to walk on the other side of the street and sit in the back of the bus.

And so it should be, well done, a good example of turning the other cheek - but if you want freedom from the oppressive Reds/Greens, you CANNOT do it alone. Do not allow the Red/Green divide-and-conquer strategy to work: if you want to succeed and get the government right out of your schools and out of your churches, you must join forces with other minorities, including those who do not walk the Christian life (yes, that includes Gaia worshippers and those who want to sacrifice their first-born to Moloch), on the basis that every one should be allowed to live and teach their children according to their own beliefs. Wear a clothespin on your nose if you need to, but do it anyway!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 6:25:00 PM
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