http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11638#199117

Yuyutsu, au contraire, many christian churches have moved away from scriptures. The Bible both, "old testament" & "new testament" is clear, there is NO freedom to be a Christian & homosexual at all.

The separation of church & state has been RE interpreted to the point where Churches are forbidden by the Politically Correct Thought Police from talking about the evil deeds of our politicians.

What Jesus taught was that IF you admit you were wrong & promise not to do it again, THEN you can be forgiven. Merely saying sorry while continuing to commit sin is NOT how it works.

Another twisting of scriptures by, "liberal" "tolerant" christian churches is the idea that forgiveness, also means tolerating everything, including "devil worshipers", Anti Christian, Anti Family policies that were designed for the specific purpose of abusing our children.

BTW, nobody needed that "bunch of silly Marxists". The British, French, American Revolutions predate Marxism. They were led by Middle class, White Collar, Centrist, Christians. The Blue Collar, Working Classes, gladly "jumped on the band wagon" because everybody was winning except the filthy, stinking, super rich.

Left wing politics was invented as a counter revolutionary strategy to stop the blue collar, working classes from co-operating with the white collar, middle classes, so that future revolutions could fail.

Again, cast your mind back several hundred years to the immediate aftermath. Do you think the Pope was happy about millions of Christians leaving HIS flock? Do you think the British, European royalty & aristocracy were ecstatic about the guillotine?

But the Pope put one his best Jesuit trained humanities academics onto the problem & they came up with the perfect plan. They wrote what you think is the Communist Manifesto decades earlier, always with the Anti Semitic plan in mind to hand it over to a Jew, to publish, so that they could blame it on the Jews later if things went wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Weishaupt

http://www.angelfire.com/music2/fullcircle/mas2.html

The main problem however is that those people you mentioned, do NOT, "do it in their own backyard". They insist on teaching their filth to everybody's children.

Formersnag

Thanks for the last link which showed how Karl Marx was influenced heavily by Freemasonry. I never actually knew that but should not be surprised by it.

While it may be of some worth to work out how Australia has been allowed to be hijacked by Marxist I have a strong confidence that it has not taken God by surprise. He is still on His throne and the pathetic philosophies of man would be laughed at by Him for what they are. No doubt His heart would be broken for the victims of these godless ideologies. The dramatic increase in the sexualisation of kids, the total breakdown in families and society are a direct result of liberal theologians twisting Scriptures to their own destruction. Normally you only have to look at the life of a liberal theologian and you know why they push their barrow.

The church losing its salt has certainly played a large role in the degrading of our society. Thankfully a time will come when God says enough is enough. Puny fits will wave and hearts will be terrified but God will be God. The spurning of His Son will turn out to be the greatest mistake in the lives of many. There will be no more mocking, no more rebellion, no more evolution fantasies, no more immorality, no more diasters. Thankfully God's mercy is still giving sinful man time to repent.

Formersnag & runner,

David J Smith?

http://newswatchmagazine.org/

Ye Gods, you honestly believe that stuff?!

Cornflower

Certainly that is one man's view of things that you highlight. Some of what he says is no doubt right while some would be open to debate. However just seeing the fulfillment of prophecy in Scripture, the accurate description of man's heart by Jesus along with the pathetically benign attacks on Scripture is enough to convince me. Israel is certainly God's ticking clock so to speak.

Dear Formersnag,

Certainly nobody but you and your spouse have a right to decide what your children should learn and no government should have jurisdiction over what is said over the pulpit. The question is, how are you expecting to achieve this.

If you are intolerant towards others and their way of life, why wonder why they are not tolerant towards you and your way of life?

Whatever you do with yourself, with your family and with your church, and generally with any group of people that are in agreement, be it good or bad, so long as it is in your own backyard (including the communal backyard) should be up to you: it is only between you and God and nobody else has the right to intervene. However, you must accord the same rights to the Reds, to the Greens and anyone else.

That is the deal. The only fair and reasonable deal possible unless your are into violence, which I believe and hope you are not.

Surely even Jesus would agree that one has the total free choice to be a sinner. If they be subsequently judged for it, then it is their problem, not yours.

runner,

Having had Freemasons in the family and in our acquaintance, I am certain that they are a mutual admiration society, seeking (and finding from all accounts) fraternal support for a moral, non-discriminatory existence with sacrifice and nothing odd meant by that. They spend their free time serving charities for goodness sakes. A thousand percent better than them being in the pub, or at the TAB.

Might as well find plots in the Girl Guides.