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Needed and inevitable - a price on carbon : Comments

By John Le Mesurier, published 24/12/2010

Australia continues to approve the expansion and the subsidy of the coal mining industry.

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Grim,

If it is a big hoax, then reducing C02 emissions won't make the slightest bit of diffrence to a better world. C02 isn't harmful, by any other standard.

In fact, what it will do is push more people back into starvation and poverty. Is that the sort of better world you are looking for?
Posted by PaulL, Friday, 31 December 2010 12:03:59 PM
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At least you are honest and up front , so I can do nothing any more to help. If you can not understand that video , good luck then.
Posted by All-, Friday, 31 December 2010 9:04:58 PM
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PaulL, peak oil has already passed, peak coal is on the visible horizon. Don't worry about what our grand children will spend on transport costs, there are many alternatives; worry about how much things we take for granted will cost, like plastic and nylon and all those things made from an irreplaceable resource we just burn.
Exploiting an irreplaceable resource to total depletion is greed and selfishness taken to the extreme of madness.
In truth, all the basic mechanisms are already in place. For decades now, state and federal governments have insisted on Environmental impact statements. Miners and industry have had to supply their strategies for minimising their impact on the environment, and restoring the environment when impact is unavoidable.
All we need do is treat the air we breathe with the same respect we offer the land.
As to carbon trading schemes, wherever trialled they have failed miserably in their objectives. Far better an environment fund, sourced from anyone, big or small, who adversely affects any aspect of our environment.
The elephant is this particular room is all the people of the Earth yet to be born, who have no say in how the present generation squanders their heritage.
Posted by Grim, Saturday, 1 January 2011 7:08:42 AM
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That is the political theory of things Grim, but in reality it certainly is never brought to practise;

If you actually have a look at every single Mine executed by State Government, I can assure you that there has never been any attempt to return any sight to any form of normality , let alone to resemble any form of environmentalism other than total vandalism.

Just fly over any sight you wish to name anywhere in Australia, and you would be forgiven for thinking you were on some scienc fiction flight of fancy over some newly discovered desolate world scared with vast oceans of barren wastelands and impact craters .

And that is Government policy at work , and not how some would otherwise convey the environmental message. It is Oxymoronic.
Posted by All-, Saturday, 1 January 2011 8:57:19 AM
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Port Macquarie NSW.
I have to admit it ain't a perfect example; After Mineral Sands left they were ordered by the State Guvmint of the day to stabilise the dunes with South African Bitou Bush which turned out to be idiotic, but at least it was a step.
The point is it can be done, needs to be done and should be done.
I should also point out these steps are much easier when they are small steps -in keeping with at least one of the points made in the article.
Posted by Grim, Saturday, 1 January 2011 10:11:14 AM
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And that is the main point I suppose ; Governments only create the perception that it cares and goes about creating the perception that it had ordered the clean up or stabilisation of any sight ; The fact still remains the opposite.

The other point is also; in many instances when a Geo survey had been done in many instances, that had recommended that it would be strongly advised ; Not to proceed due to natural water courses or other Geophysical Fault plates etc ; To refrain from technical terminologies;

But these reports are re written and superseded by the Minions of Government; so in essence the only conclusion that can be had is that in many, if not all instances their actions are to serve their purpose and not your interest.

And the most important point to make now is;
China , ; Are anyone of us aware of how many sights in Australia have been handed over to the Chinese Government to be mined and executed without Australian Sovereign Law ?

Political corruption at its best. And who gains from that little State Sanctioned order.

The only point that I try to make is the perception of Governments intent and the reality of its execution order is of an utterly different theses.

Why people have this grandiose trust in the largest predator and the supreme executor of organised Crime , and hold this notion that it is here to help – protect and provide , is beyond any realistic comprehension.
Using the Invisible elephant in the room theory, even if people choose not to see it, they still defecate and are now swimming in it.
But still No see , no smell , no feel ;
Posted by All-, Saturday, 1 January 2011 10:53:25 AM
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