The sooner this Carbon Dioxide scare is over the better. I wonder how many people realise that it is a very tiny percentage of the atmosphere. Most people I ask rate it at somewhere between 5 to 50 percent. What are we teaching in our schools?

<< Ludwig, just why should everyone have to conform to your ideas(?) >>

Because Hazza, I’m right and everyone else is wrong… oh, except for those who agree with me of course!! { :~)

<< The only reason governments agree with you is they can see another source of income … >>

Oh how terribly cynical!

<< The fact that you few want to dictate submission to your ideas says it all, really. The word is dictate. >>

Pfffff!

<< We even have radical ratbag members of the green community wanting to suspend democracy for a time, to allow them to save the world. That is of course dictatorship, & it has never worked. >>

Wow, that’s a polarised statement if ever I’ve read one! What we need is a MUCH better standard of governance. That means a more socialistic regime inasmuch as a stronger rule of law designed to rein in overconsumption, curtail continuous expansionism, blah, blah.

Isn’t this what you want as well? Or do you want a continuation of a weak rule of law where the big and powerful players just get what they want regardless, and ride roughshod over everyone else?

Actually, what do you want? It is not obvious from your post, nor from your hundreds of past posts, as far as I can recall. Are you in the same camp as Peter Hume in being a total AGW denialist and business-as-usual advocate?

Oh AL, you devout Christian, what are you doin on OLO at 8pm on this particular day?

Hey, we can’t be ruled by the worst possible scenario of devious pollies feathering their own nests. We need to look past that and examine other motives, and in this instance the practical reasons for a carbon price are very real.

As I said earlier on this thread;

< the market sets the price of coal without taking into account CO2 emissions or the fact that coal is supporting a rapidly expanding extent of humanity and per-capita consumption rate, which cannot be reliant on coal forever and simply must move to what are currently more expensive energy sources. In other words, the market is setting a totally unrealistic price. >

Unregulated market-controlled pricing is leading us straight towards the cliff! It is just completely antisustainable. It promotes the rapid expansion of the use of fossil fuels and very strongly inhibits us from developing alternative energy sources.

We CANNOT afford to let the market set a carbon price. It simply MUST be placed in the realm of government control. And isn’t that one of the primary purposes of government – to REGULATE things that are taking us down the wrong track and set them on the right path?

Ahhh, it’s Christmas night…... Where’s my beer?

Ludwig, I can not see how any reasonable intelligent, educated person can't see through the global warming scam. I have enough physics to see through the rubbish, & have seen enough disinformation coming from the "industry" & government to smell a big rat.

I can not see how anyone other than a politician, or a bureaucrat, could believe that government control of the use of energy could be anything but a disaster.

I have not seen a single thing that our present government, & our bureaucrats have done that could make anyone even consider trusting them with anything.

Anytime governments, all over the world have been given control of food distribution, people have suffered, & often starved.

Give me some example of something done right by a recent government decision, if you want us to believe in more government control.

Hasbeen: “I have enough physics to see through the rubbish.” Really?

If you have a reasonable understanding of physics you would understand the properties of greenhouse gases, CO2 in particular, and would know that its continued emission into the atmosphere will cause surface temperatures to rise, inducing other feedbacks and leading to dangerous global warming.

As you will know from your knowledge of physics, that is scientific fact, not speculation open to debate, hence the need to curb CO2 emissions. What better way of reducing CO2 than making those responsible for emitting them pay for each tonne they emit?

"Oh AL, you devout Christian, what are you doin on OLO at 8pm on this particular day? What an interesting Question........I think the Christians don't even know themselves:)

BLUE