Liz,

"Have you read her book? Any books about women in the Middle East?"

Some: Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, Neda Kelek, Irshad Manji, Seyron Ates, Noni Darwish, Taslima Nasreen. Although you don't really need to read their books but just listen to what they are saying.

These are women coming from Islamic countries who fled to the West in order to obtain freedom, although unfortunately their outspokenness has given them body guards. Why, do you think?

You have overlooked the fundamentals.

As Ayaan has said, western feminists just luxuriate.

Oh Liz, you are a cracker. Think yourself lucky, baby!

You might want to read some on Jurgen Habermass while you're at it.

Hi Lizzy

I guess you have no argument which can refute my last clear post about "Islam"?

You seem to just want to push and peddle your 'anti capitalist' agenda in the "Grandma what big teeth you have" disguise.

Well.. Red Riding hood saw though the Wolf's disguise and we see through yours also.

*Calls the Wood Cutter*.....

An interesting declaration, Boaz.

>>That is why I would like "Islam" banned, which includes the Burqa<<

We are all well aware of your fear and loathing of anything Islamic. It oozes from your every post like pus from an ulcerating tumour.

But I would just like to point out that banning an entire religion places you firmly alongside such folk heroes as Pol Pot. He wiped out as many Muslims as he could, too.

Mind you, Pol Pot didn't much like Buddhists, Christians, educated people, Westerners, Vietnamese, Chinese, Laotians and disabled people either. But you have to start a campaign of hatred somewhere, I suppose.

And once you have cleared our society of Muslims, you could start on the Fabians and Marcusians, I guess.

It must really suck, having to carry around with you the weight of all that intolerance, day after day.

<<It must really suck, having to carry around with you the weight of all that intolerance, day after day.>>

This is where the left always gets it upside down and back to front.

Islam is an intolerant ideology.
Islam is intolerant of any other worldview.
The intolerant verses of Islam have been thoroughly documented on this forum.
Islam divides the entire world into the house of Islam and the house of war (that's us infidels).
Islam's aim is to force the house of war to submit to the house of Islam.
That is the end goal of all the Islamic jihad happening every day all around the world.
It's there in the Islamic doctrine for all to see if only they weren't also blinded by their own particular, intolerant ideology.

It is simply not rational to accuse someone like AGiR of being intolerant merely for holding up a mirror to the intolerance of Islam.

Liz45<We have no reason to want to stamp out Islam due to the violence of some men in Afghanistan, any more than the fact it was descendants of catholic Ireland who viciously murdered Anita Corby, or a bloke brought up in this country who was convicted of at least 7 packpacker murders>

Those murderers will rot in prison in this country but in countries like Afghanistan and most other Islamic countries it would be believed that Anita Corby was a bad woman because she chose to walk home alone so she was breaking Islamic law by being out alone without wearing a burqa therefore she was totally responsible for the rape and the men were totally innocent and they wouldn’t have been punished at all. This is where the West differs from Islamic countries.

Although having said that, there is still a bit of an attitude similar in some ways to the thinking in Islamic countries here and it was only the fact that Anita Corby wasn’t walking home from a night club and was in fact going home after just having done what is perceived as a dedicated and hard working job suitable for a respectable woman (nursing) that caused more indignation and horror in her case and not blame directed towards the women unfairly as in other rape cases. Still justice was done here and the probability of justice being done in any rape cases in these strict Islamic countries where women wear the Burqa would have been nil.

What woman in her right mind would report being raped in Islamic countries, she would probably be stoned to death or killed in an honour killing. Those are the sort of things that the Burqa represents to me, total lack of any protection under the law for women in sex crimes. I dislike seeing it in this country for that reason, among others I have previously outlined.

How the world turns, eh.

>>It is simply not rational to accuse someone like AGiR of being intolerant merely for holding up a mirror to the intolerance of Islam.<<

The idea being, I guess, that we should do as they do.

I really don't understand the rationale. It must be me, because you Christians all seem to sing from the same song sheet.

"They don't build churches in Saudi Arabia, so we shouldn't build mosques here"

"They are intolerant, so we should be too."

I'm pretty sure that once upon a time we used to be proud of our society's maturity, and held that our tolerance and understanding was a virtue to be admired and aspired to.

Instead, we have this childish approach that if they behave badly, then it is necessary for us to behave in exactly the same way.

Please explain?