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Gender-based Approach Misses the Mark in Tackling Family Violence : Comments

By Roger Smith, published 25/11/2010

On White Ribbon Day, we condemn violence against women. We should also condemn it against men.

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@bowspear - "As the mother of 2 boys with your blatant sexism and misandry, I genuinely fear for their psychological well-being."

Are you referring to me? I don't have 2 "boys" I have 3 ADULT sons! I suggest that you go and read some more and stick to the realities of the truth.
If you disagree, bring me the results of police records that point to the contrary. Being hateful to women doesn't do your cause any favours.

The critical analysis of the Strauss etc survey was floored in dramatic ways. It failed to include sexual violence, scratching, punching, choking,suffocating, stalking and marital murder.

There's been at least 2 marital murders in the last two weeks?

When RObert and others mention surveys like this one, they conveniently omit to mention these flaws in the results of the surveys.

Domestic and Family Violence Studies, Surveys
and Statistics: Pointers to Policy and Practice

GABY MARCUS
Rochelle Braaf
Australian Domestic and Family Violence Clearinghouse

I used a couple of paragraphs in an earlier post, but I suggest you read the whole article. It's an AUSTRALIAN survey, not one from the US!
Posted by Liz45, Friday, 7 January 2011 10:51:56 AM
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Quoting Liz45, "There's been at least 2 marital murders in the last two weeks?".

ONLY 2 murders! Liz45, Australia has a population of nearly 23 million. Given the horrendous legal system stacked against men that have been in relationships it is very surprising the number of murders in not much much higher. It just goes to show how restrained and non-violent such men are. Were the 2 murders before or after separation? My understanding is that most murders take place after separation but I could be corrected on that.
Posted by Roscop, Friday, 7 January 2011 2:20:12 PM
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Liz, either way, you are the mother to male children, grown or otherwise and therefore, judging by your attitudes towards my abuse, I genuinely am concerned about how you'd react to their plights should they ever be the victim of abusive relationships.

You claim to never condone abuse against men or boys yet when confronted with my story you immediately accused it of being a lie.

Furthermore, I may have misread a 2 for a 3, however that was ENTIRELY due to BEING THE VICTIM of an ATTACK BY YOU (caps for emphasis, not screaming) which involved such vile invalidation of my abuse that if the gender roles were reversed, and it was a woman facing those kind of attitudes from a man in any kind of public way, radical feminists such as yourself would have figuratively tarred and feathered them for it - even taking to the streets if it was public enough.

If you want to talk about focusing on the truth, take a look at your own depraved and utterly inexcusable attitudes towards the abuse I suffered and your constant lies about what you did, even when the evidence is there for everyone to see.

Furthermore, for someone who claims to have such experience of dealing with domestic violence, you should be familiar enough with barriers to reporting to recognise that police reporting figures only ever show the tip of the iceberg. Furthermore, you should, living in Australia, be familiar enough with the stereotypes which say that:

- battered men are jokes because they "got beaten up by a woman", or must have deserved it "because only men are abusers"

- male rape victims are:
o "gay if they have a problem with getting lucky" if raped by a woman and/or have their stereotypical physical strength compared to a woman's in the same way that the female stereotype factors in a woman’s attire
o “coming out of the closet" if homosexually raped
o "becoming a man" if raped when underage (cases of this are always described as "an affair" by the media)
(to be continued)
Posted by bowspearer, Friday, 7 January 2011 5:09:31 PM
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Furthermore, even when these matters do make it to trial and courts are faced with indisputable evidence of what has transpired; judges like Justice Austin and Justice Conlon, legally sanction child abuse and domestic violence (even using gender stereotypes to justify their decisions) respectively by women, as 2 recent cases have proven.

Anyone with even an ounce of common sense can see that this amounts to an insurmountable reporting barrier and one causing the abuse of men to be a massive hidden epidemic.

On that note, you would do well to check out research by Erin Pitzey and Richard Gelles in more recent years, as well as Dr Elizabeth Celi, in terms of the local DV issues.

However if you did that, you'd have to truly acknowledge that a woman can be every bit as abusive as a man, and you've demonstrated here, you completely lack the courage to do that.
Posted by bowspearer, Friday, 7 January 2011 5:12:05 PM
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@Johnny Rotten - Thank you!

@bowspear - It would not matter what I did or said. If I didn't defend myself I'd be weak and timid and deserve what I got. If I speak out I'm aggressive and unfeminine - a shrew? shrill etc?
You like others have your minds made up, and nothing I say will even make you think of what you're doing to others! As someone has already commented, it's only the men who are dishing out the rubbish to me? Funny that?

"Bcause our work is never done and underpaid or boring, and we are the first to get the sack and what we look like is more important than what we do, and if we get raped it's our fault, and if we get bashed we must have provoked it and if we raise our voices we're nagging (b)witches, and if we enjoy sex we're nymphos and if we don't we're frigid and if we love women it's because we can't get a man and if we ask our doctor too many questions we're neurotic and if we stand up for our rights we're aggressive and unfeminine and if we don't we're typical weak females and if we want to get married we're out to trap a man, and if we don't we're unnatural and we still can't get adequate safe contraception but men can walk on the moon, and if we can't cope or don't want a pregnancy we're made to feel guilty about abortion, and - for lots and lots of other reasons, we are part of the Women's Liberation Movement!"

Another news item last night. 4 people found dead in a burned out house. POlice speak of "domestic disturbance" prior to the fire. A woman and her 2 chn live in the dwelling. If this is a result of DV that's 6 people in the last 10 days! Prior to that a woman was stabbed. Add this to the others leading up to Xmas reinforces my assertions.

(cont)
Posted by Liz45, Monday, 10 January 2011 4:01:21 PM
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Actually, I think there's another incident(death) of a woman being stabbed in her home. These are all in NSW! There were homicides in the NT prior to and after Xmas-not sure of sex of victims in those incidents.

All Attorneys General (6 states, 2 territories) all agree with the stats as stated by myself, WRD and ADFV Clearing House and the survey in Victoria in 2010. Not my stats, theirs.

Why would the Rudd Govt put millions into combatting DV? Why would the NSW Govt put several million into the Staying Home, Leaving Violence program initiated last year? Why would the Illawarra Police Command have two women full time to accompany women to court etc, and another male officer who liases with many other NGO's and other sectors? Why would the NSW govt join the other states/territories and undertake, that all crimes of violence that occurred in the past would be studied to ensure, that inaction or some other reason/s led to their murders? These undertakings just disprove the rubbish,that men are as likely to suffer violence in the home as women! Not true!
Posted by Liz45, Monday, 10 January 2011 4:08:02 PM
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