"Go away!"

I don't think so. I rather like OLO and I very much don't like the lies your crowd peddle about men (and women).

I've read enough of Flood's writings to last for a while. He could be quite good if he was in the least bit even handed but that would probably be a really bad career move. When Flood start's subjecting the mothers groups to the same sort of criticism that he gives the fathers groups, when he start's being as concerned about the methodology (or lack of) in the research that underpins the genderised view of DV as he is about minor weaknesses with CTS I'll take him more seriously.

Feel free to stay but if you really want to shut down discussion on this topic you might consider that it's possibly you that's done the most to keep it going. Thanks for that.

R0bert

Liz45, I wasn't lying. There is heaps of stuff on domestic violence on the mja website all conforming to a gender-based approach. This is just a little of it:

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/173_10_201100/raphael/raphael.html

A high index of suspicion is appropriate if a patient presents with low self-esteem, vague somatic complaints, signs of bruising or other injury and a level of defensiveness. The doctor should question the patient about fear, abuse, depression, and suicidal thoughts.
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Roscop says here is a story about a woman who attends every Country Womens Association tea and scones morning tea with a black eye:

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/173_10_201100/mazza/mazza.html#box1
Case scenario for dealing with domestic violence in general practice

"Margaret" is a 35-year-old woman who lives on a dairy farm, which she manages with her husband of 10 years. They have three children aged between eight and three years. Over the time that she has been consulting you she has presented repeatedly with soft tissue injuries that she acknowledges have been inflicted by her husband. She believes that her husband only becomes violent when he drinks. She is isolated on the farm and says she is unable to leave her husband or to seek support in the local community because she feels ashamed and because her husband is good friends with the local policeman.
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Roscop says why would anyone go to the doctor repeatedly with soft tissue injuries unless requiring stitches, particularly if living on a farm where nicks, cuts and bruises would be the order of the day? Most people on farms take care of their own first aid needs and know that an ice pack is the best thing for soft tissue injuries unless the farmer smacks his fist into his wife's left eye every time then there might a more serious injury.

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“Roscop says why would anyone go to the doctor repeatedly with soft tissue injuries unless requiring stitches, particularly if living on a farm where nicks, cuts and bruises would be the order of the day? Most people on farms take care of their own first aid needs and know that an ice pack is the best thing for soft tissue injuries unless the farmer smacks his fist into his wife's left eye every time then there might a more serious injury.”

She might be wanting some occasional sympathy? She’s allowed.

I wonder if leaving the farm would make both of them broke. Finances have a way of keeping people together as well as splitting folks up.

Have most of us have come across women like that? They arrive, they whinge, they have the split lip or black eye – no they don’t want to do anything or accept help. It gets bad, they panic, they scream for help, you help, they get back together and then suddenly her and her partner both hates you for knowing too much. Seems all wrapped up in shame to me and it bores me witless.

Ros the DV is happening everywhere, the women are telling the truth. It is usually kept under wraps and not officially reported. Mostly I am just sick of the whole cycle, pattern, phases they go through, the children witnessing it, what the women are telling themselves, how the men justify it, their families that accept it. I blame everybody.

Anyone imagining that a white ribbon addresses any of it is kidding themselves but makes for a lively debate and here... well, the deleted messages speak for themselves.

If you aren’t back here before Christmas Anti I hope you the kids and the dogs have a good one babe.

The limitations of studying and dealing with violence through gender become very obvious when one realises that child neglect is a common element in violence committed by children and youth.

It should be apparent that a holistic approach is preferable to dealing with violence and that present responses owe more to political populism and the skewing of policy by vested interests - many on the government payroll - than to practical research and recommendations by independent criminologists.

Jewely says inter alia re the female character in my last post "She might be wanting some occasional sympathy? She’s allowed."

With the aid of Alexander Graham Bell’s invention, wouldn't it have been more sensible for “isolated” Margy to contact the domestic violence outreach industry in which all the staff are vicarious trauma sufferers. They'd take care of everything for her including applying for a DVO and victims of crime compensation with no proof required. She wouldn't be thinking about shame or her about to be ex-husbands mate down at the police station. She'd be thinking about getting half the dairy farm which has been passed down through generations on the husband's side.

It doesn't matter that all the heated arguments Margy has been having with her husband are over affairs Margy has been having with the milk collection man and others. The eldest of her three children carries the milk collector's DNA. The family doctor Margy sees knows this because he arranged for the tests to be done after the distressed husband had visited his surgery with a deep gash over his eye where Margy had hit him with a saucepan.

The DVCS would have Margy and the kids extracted from the farm quick smart the next time the farmer took his tractor down town for servicing and she and the kids would be ensconced in a city women’s refuge where they would get a full education on the nastiness of men and the complete innocence of women. If Margy had any reservations about leaving the dairy farm, the ladies at the DVCS and refuge would fix that. She'd just be thinking about moving herself and the kids in with the retired milk collector and what she could do with the money meant for child support. She would then be able to wear a badge with “Domestic Violence Survivor” on it, for the rest of her life and therefore be in the same class as Liz45.

Yes folks, life can be a little more complicated than presented in gender-based scenarios embedded in MJA articles on DV.

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/173_10_201100/mazza/mazza.html#box1