Liz

So are you saying that you will admit that you are wrong when someone puts up research that suggests that women are responsible for roughly the same amount of DV as men?

@benk - For god's sake! I was violated, bashed and abused. In the 1960's women were not protected by the law - now things have changed - at last! I can not tell you how many articles I've read; how many personal stories I've heard - face to face; how many books,articles, reports etc. The fact is, that domestic violence is a serious issue around the world - the UN acknowledges this,as does the Australian Law authorities - STATE and FEEDERAL! If you or anyone else doesn't agree with the stats etc, show me the articles etc.
Go and take a look at Phil Cleary's website - Read 'Just Another Little Murder'? Go to NSW website or the Australian Attorney General, or the United Nations, or all State govt's Dept of Health webiste!
Fair dinkum! You're fighting against reality!
You have only ranted on in a misogynist manner - go and see a counsellor or someone! Geez!
You have a serious problem with reality!

Anyone interested in looking at the stuff Liz refuses to see could start with the following links. It's not exhaustive but it should be enough to get honest people wondering about those wast numbers of reports which start with a statement of faith along the lines of "Domestic Violence is overwelmingly perpetrated by men against women" and then proceed to only examine evidence that supports that view.

I'm not aware of any links to mens rights advocacy groups especially for the first two.

http://www.fact.on.ca/Info/dom/heady99.htm

http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/170018.pdf

http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

There are weaknesses in all the methodologies used to examine DV and this stuff is not perfect either but the reality is that over a sustained period when people are asked similar non-loaded questions about intimate partner violence men and women initiate it and experience it in similar numbers.

The only significant difference is in the severity of injuries at the high end of the scale and there are strong indicators that much of that occurs where the violence is mutual.

If that is all to counter intuitive based on what you have been told for years about DV have a think about child abuse stat's and what they say about violence in the home.

R0bert

@RObert - You are incorrect! Three sites do not an argument finish. The facts around the world, including the incidents of female homicide in Australia counter any claims you or ben or the bloody pope might make. The facts are, that some men use control to intimidate and have power over women. I challenge you to respond to being really hit or bashed that hurt so much that you couldn't bear to even lie on that side of your head. FROM THAT TIME ON the ground rules have been set - the threat? 'Misbehave' again, and this is what will happen.
NOw I don't give a stuff, whether you engage the bloody pope in this discussion - the catholic church are also partly to blame- that women are inferior owned by men, have to submit blah blah!
What is your beef? Go out for a long walk, or kick the back fence, but stop your assault on me! You're the one with the problem - maybe some woman/women did the wrong thing by you - I didn't! I have one more post, then I'm done with you and your misogynist mate!

Liz you do a lot of transference. You come to this thread attacking the idea that anti-family violence campaigns should include violence against men. You say the most derogatory things about men. You use your bad experience as an excuse to continue to make vile comments about men no this thread and others then phrase it as "stop your assault on me!"

While you continue to attack men and make false claims I will continue rebutting those claims. I suspect that you are more used to sites where opposing views can easily be shut down by the administrators but that's not this place. If you stick within the rules you can have your say but those with differing views also get to have their say.

I don't expect three links to make the case, nor to I expect posters to find and review the "275 scholarly investigations: 214 empirical studies and 61 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners" referenced in one of the pieces.

What I expect is for those with any interest in the truth to look at the material, look at some of the material you love and ask themselves why the differences.

R0bert

@RObert - You have not provided any information to uphold your biased views. You can reject reality as much as you like, but it still remains regardless. I am not a man hater, but I do hate men who bash and I also hate other people who, by their anti the victims support the perpetrators - that is what you're doing.
I know my reality,and the reality of hundreds of thousands, no millions of women's reality around the world. The fact is, that in all areas that violence is a part, men are overwhelmingly the perpetrators. As I've said before - watch and listen to or read the news for just one week, and the reality is there.
Just because you will not admit to the reality, doesn't make it dissipate - men need to start telling their mates to stop! That means you! What you are doing to me is reinforce the attitude of the police and the Chamber Magistrate over 40 yrs ago - this is just another form of abuse!
There's over 9 million articles that you can read - you single out a couple that suit your misogynist views!You have a bad case of selective amnesia!
I'm done!