Normally, I am happy just to have my say and let others have theirs without comment. But Ranier and mahatma duck have really crossed the line. Ranier wants to re-educate the 'racism' out of me, mahatma duck insults me by calling me a racist. These people and others who yap about the loss of rights that will ensue from anti-terror law are less precious abouth the rights of others who dare to differ with them.

Ranier: put up the evidence that racism is involved in my undenied criticims of a religion which has adherents of ALL races, including my Anglo/Saxon group you have so much trouble with, or shut up.
Point out where I said Aborigines are not ordinary Australians or shut up.
Point out the racism in my only other mention of Aborigines where I suggested the same opportunities for them as enjoyed by other Australians, or shut up.
Point out how my looking for differences in races would remove the racism from me rather than doing as I now do and concentrate on the simlilarities, or shut up.
Point out why, as a racist, I enjoy regular trips to Asia, love the countries and the people, or shut up.
Tell me how I managed to grow up not knowing I am a racist after spending the first 30 years of my life in a town of 7,000 people among people of all many races, including the Aboriginals I lived a few minutes walk from, or shut up.

mahatma duck: like all ducks, you swallow any old rubbish and spread it as pure crap. I and other "Islamophobes" spread "ignorant hatred via (our) keyboards", but your bigoted insults to us are, of course, "peace and love".

Get over yourselves, both of you.

Leigh,

“like all Muslims, he is unable to rebut any criticsm or questioning of some of his statements”

Not sure where you have been, there are few Australian Muslims (including myself) answering question and responding to criticism from fellow posters. Please check some of my last postings.

“With Muslim terrorists, we know where we stand. With so-called moderate Muslims, we will never know. Where is the real danger?”

Interesting statement, weren’t Australian Muslims born and living here, going with you to school, to work, on buses for the last 40 years? Didn’t you see them at shopping centers and in parks on weekends?

Didn’t you see Muslim girls in tears in Centennial Park after the Bali bombing tragedy?

Peace,

Leigh,

You want evidence from me that you’re an ignorant racist? I think want you really need is a psycho- therapist who can also teach you how to read your own written statements.

But perhaps you've already tried this out? (without luck?)

That you lived only ‘a few minutes’ from ‘Aboriginals’ suggests this was about spatially organizing avoidance and surveillance and petty gossip rather than social interaction.

Indeed everything you’ve said in this forum so far illustrates how benign your racism is and how ignorant your are about your own position of privilege.

So what does it mean to be white Leigh? That you don’t even have to think deeply about this everyday must surely tell you something? So you travel to Asian countries and enjoy it. Whoopee do! So do pedophiles and drug pushers.

So you want me to shut up every time I encounter racist thinking and blindness? Ha!

You were the first poster to dive in to chide Irfan, a lawyer, for his appraisal of laws that will (from his personal and professional experience) unduly target sections of our community and especially our fellow Muslim citizens. I truly hope that one day you’ll discover how silly you sound and how much more there is to this world than the one you cling to.

In other words, get a life.

Irfan is a legend and should be treated that way. I know this because I have met Irfan and can tell you, that Irfan is a man of principal. No, I am not Muslim. I am Pagan.

My hat is tipped to Irfan Yusuf for standing for his fellow Australians. Where I disagree with Irfan, is that I believe that the major parties in government, will use these anti terror laws to quell political dissent. Become effective in creating electoral opposition to the majors and expect to get lifted by Howards blackshirts.

Leigh,
I wouldn't concern yourself with Rainer he is unsure of his national identity. note his statement, "I don't consider myself to be Australian or culturally Australian." Posted by Rainier, Saturday, 15 October 2005 3:24:22 PM. His view of the predominat culture in Australia exhibits extreme bigoted racism.

Ant,
Could I remind you that the Hilton Hotel bomming was a terrorist attack. Quote, "We have not experienced a terrorist attack on Australian soil like USA, Spain, Bali or Britain; yet, we will be subject to laws that can ruin innocent individuals."

I believe survelliance of an individual or group that might engage in terrorist activity would be happening before any arrest is made. Police will not be walking the street and arresting innocent individuals. Ifran don't be depressed, you have Tony Abbott and John Howard to support your credibility. Walk tall mate!

Oh yawn, now it’s the indomitable Philo and those corny urban philosophies about everything and nothing much at all.

What the hell, just for the hell of playing this childish tit for tat - here is a little pearl from our cultural Philo(stine?)

"Culture should not be focused in race or even religion; it is about national cuisine, language, and dress, national or local practices".

Posted by Philo, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 10:52:26 PM

How profound and deep is that!

So what are these unique Australian "national cuisines, languages, and dress, national or local practices" Philo?

C'mon Philo, tell us all what these national traits are? You keep writing about what being 'Australian' means - but provide absolutely no evidence of what this is culturally? C’mon, be fair and fairdinkum cobber!

I’m sure every Muslim and non white person (wanabe ordinary Australians) reading this discussion would be grateful to you and Leigh if you provided some guidance on what this national culture is all about. From this we could also start to understand what the underlying rationale is of these new Terrorist laws - and then I can try to be just like you! (Urrgh..