And further;
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First, we are often dealing with those who are engaged in the preliminary stages of some terrorist activity or in the indirect facilitation of terrorism—for example, fund raising through fraud, training, encouraging or otherwise supporting terrorist activity. In such cases, an ordinary criminal prosecution might indeed be possible, but going the extra step and making a specific link to a terrorist motive is very difficult. Even where such prosecution is possible, it might not be for an offence that carries a sentence which would guarantee the public sufficient protection.
Secondly, information about suspected terrorists may not be admissible in a criminal court, or may not be of a nature that would satisfy the criminal standard of proof. On the other hand, individual pieces of information or intelligence taken together can paint a convincing picture that the person is involved in activity which is likely to pose a threat to our security. In these circumstances, the Government needs to take action to protect the public.
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There is a lot more and even lawyers in the UK are complaining that those accused are denied of justice.

All this system can achieve is to score wrongful convictions while those really intending to commit terrorism may very well get away with it.
How can the scoring of convictions under the pretended argument to protect the community really be so, if innocent people can be convicted which does not serve the safety of the community at all.

Even judgments are to be kept secret so we the people will be denied why people are imprisoned! The outlawed STAR CHAMBER COURT system

Hey Irfan,

Thanks Maaaaaaaaate!

A muslim calling others wackos? Just take a quick glance at your religious beliefs Irfan!

Obvious that little cut 'n paste did hurt a little there. Not as much as the cut job it was describing mind you. If you bothered to read my post you'd see that I was responding to your fellow mossie, Fellow Human about FGM.

FGM cases have been seen in aussie-born MUSLIM women there's even a toothless government 'task force' to deal with it.

Like it or not it's part of your religion. It's your responsiblity as a muslim to stop it. Like it is with the welfare abuse and crimininality that is rife amongst your co religionists. Which I've seen and experienced in the 4 different countries that I've lived in. I also mentioned this to FH but you don't mention it even though it's very much part of the problem like the terrorism is.

But instead of an active hands on approach what do we see? Crappy, feel good TV shows and websites about how with it your average aussie mossie is.

Mr Gerrit H Schorel-Hlavka,
I note you believe many Australians are wrongly held in detention centers had a right to vote. however I believe they loose or should loose such priviledge, because they are acting against the best interest and security of the community even if there on suspicion.

Quote, "Had they then investigated my complaints then many Australians wrongly held could then have been released....Now of course, that it is known that Australians were in fact wrongfully held in detention it shows that their bias conduct not to investigate ASSUMING that everyone held as a “suspect” was “guilty” of being unlawfully in Australia "

How many were Australians and should have been released?? I suggest you come up with a figure above ten which might have a small influence upon an election result. How many??

Philo
Under the new laws some of the truely great men of the 20th Century (Gandhi) would be incarserated for life. Martin Luther King would also have been spending time in a Detention Centre. They have provided examples of what can be achieved for all people through peaceful means.

Perhaps those crazies involved in terrorist acts should look at people such as Gandhi and King before involving themselves in hideous acts of violence.

To those that justify racial profiling on a pragmatic basis...

The terrorists who have killed Australians overseas are of "Indonesian" appearance.. and male..

So can women and non-Indonesian appearnace people be spared?

All- all vilification laws apply to all people - not just Christians, or Jews. You have been reading too much of that clap trap on the extreme-right blogspots in which you comment. The only ones complaining about their right to vilify people are the religious right and the wanna-be Nazi boys. And who is this left that you keep slagging at. Hitler reckoned that if you haven't got an enemy create one. I think more than ever we need the lever that the unions, Labor, Green, Democrats, "wet Liberals, liberals, non-violent socialists etc supply to balance this nation’s political scales.
I suggest to you All- that you crawl back under the log that David Boaz lured you out from under (i.e. QC Faras website). I think Opinion On Line is more intended for discussion on new and interesting ideas not airing old, old irrational grievances. If you want to attack the left, then state one leftist idea that Irfan has in relation to Liberal's new laws and if they contain an ounce of sense well - let's go. Or is it that you have been suckered so far to the right that everything is left?

I don't belong to any political party or organisation. Indeed, it is from the Liberal’s and others problem of raising sensitive racial matters that I started to think that the idea of racism is outdated and that cultural suprematism is a more appropriate way of explaining supposedly racial matters. I try to read primary texts and steer clear of propaganda. I advise you All- to do the same.
I think some leftist ideas and ideals that have their roots in Marxist thought are really good. I also think, following Voltaire, that we need to concentrate on the six basic freedoms: freedom of the person, freedom of speech and media, of conscience, civil liberty, security of private property and the right to work. Of course, it is a given that these freedoms must be exercised with responsibility. (continued on)