The only Terrorist attack to date in Australia, Well that is not true, define Terrorist? Excluding urbane anarchistic terrorism - Well in the early Seventies a Palestinian attempted to Hi Jack an Aircraft in Darwin Air port.
NT policeman by himself stormed the aircraft and brought the terrorist out in a body bag. Liberalism and the wet hanky brigade with the Fifth column terrorist supporters did not exist then to a certain degree where as now they promote anarchism and are Achieving this goal and loving it.
I hope that is not too Offensive Irf, Not as detailed as my other post’s, but whatth Irf commandith happendith and remove. A real hero .Truth hurts mate. And there is a lot more to be said in a public forum,and it will be said.
I often wonder Irf, there is not much editorial difference between what comes out of Lakemba Mosque web site, and what appears on the National Socialists web site, Exchanging a few Ideas maybe, just a few name changes or: Your not working along side with them are you? Chomsky killed the linguistic manipulation, so it is out of date and tired, be more Original please.Propaganda wars ended years ago, Most people are not that shallow anymore! well maybe some.

Having read the websites of Muslim extremists; I personal do not see their problem is depression leading to suicide. It is not in the same strain as persons depressed with their life. The bommers see themselves as valiant heros for the cause of Allah. Does the smiling assain Amrosi [spell]suffer depression or is it his pride in his superior religion?

Quote, "Nobody wants to create a situation where young alienated men stop talking and start hatching bomb plots".

I would suggest you study the character, wealth, intellectual qualifications and family life of those who have been involved. The most common influencial factor has been their Islamic religion. Therefore it is most likley that terrorists in the same vein will come from Mosques.

However these laws should have a limited time before review, because we are currently at war with terrorists. Once any threat of terror no longer exists the laws should be removed. I do not believe there will be indiscriminate arrests, as survelliance and evidence should be gained before an arrest made, so that a case against them can be established.

In WII anyone who had a German surname who lived in Australia was closely monitered. We initially have suspicions of a most likely group to threaten National security. At this moment it happens to be radical Islamists.

Philo

Over my quote, "Nobody wants to create a situation where young alienated men stop talking and start hatching bomb plots".

Yes looking at the most relevant case, the 4 London bombers, on which the laws are implicitly based. They appear as generally quiet lower middle class, and religious. Three of the bombers were from Leeds a dreary Midlands city and the other from Buckinghamshire (away from the "action". http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1693739,00.html

They look generally pretty ordinary by most standards. Your right that highly religious people (like them) often see themselves as intellectuals - which is also conducive to alienation. Its no surprise that they spent much of their time talking and praying at mosques.

I don't see what you're problem is if these guys or their relatives had reached out and talked to a counsellor, social worker, or Security Service (MI5) contact before the four set off their bombs? This is a pretty standard and humanitarian way of dealing with "explosive" personal problems.

As to your expectation "Once any threat of terror no longer exists the laws should be removed." There's always a "threat of terror" and no politician would risk removing the proposed anti terror laws. As Gareth Evans (not out of political contention) found out quasi intelligence analysts (like him) can be overly optimitic and embarassingly wrong.

I don't think there will "be indiscriminate arrests" either. Thats a straw man.

As I've said in my post above the proposed laws owe much to their "put a wedge in Labor" value. The current laws are little used (as Ruddock has stated). Therefore you could conclude that these laws are underutilized - is that some measure of the true terrorist threat? Howard has raised the ASIO budget mainly to utilize existing laws (all 30 Acts).

Creating fear will make it that much harder for ASIO to prevent terrorism because fewer will want to talk BEFORE a bomb goes off.

Yellow_Spewman.
What's all this bollocks about you and other Muslims "answering question (sic) and responding to criticism from fellow posters" ? A few weeks ago on a different thread I asked you a few questions after answering yours. All you came up with was moral-equivalency waffling on completely different subjects (a bit like some other posters on this thread bringing up the subjects of Aboriginals and "what do you think a 'proper' Australian is?" etc), anything to cloud the issue. Remember? I wrote: "In a previous post I invited you to PROVE ME WRONG after you said that I "made it up". I threw down the gauntlet and you picked up a bogey-encrusted handkerchief. You have all the debating skills of a squirrel and the vegetable-cunning of a potato. I'm still waiting for your refutation (no ridiculous tangents please) of the original issues." -- Is your motto 'When in doubt obfuscate'?
Still up to your old tired tricks I see. Here's another one: "Didn’t you see Muslim girls in tears in Centennial Park after the Bali bombing tragedy?" (Oh, the humanity) The only Muslim girls in tears I've seen had bruises and cuts on their faces (probably had the s**t kicked out of them by their husbands/fathers/brothers - see Qur'an 4:34, 2:223, 4:15, Tabari IX:113, Ishaq:496 and Bukhari, vol. 7, book 72, no. 715), or perhaps they were unhappy with having to wear a sack on their heads for the rest of their lives 'cos some dark-ages-neanderthal said so.
WAR!

mahatma dork.
Islamophobia means an irrational fear of Islam. Is it irrational to notice and ask serious questions about Muslim shenanigans worldwide? I won't give examples because of the 350 word limit on posts here, suffice to say, EVERY country on this fair planet, except maybe Iceland and Greenland has the 'Religion of peace' either preaching hate against Infidels in mosques, genocide, slavery, forced Islamization, persecution of non Muslims, bombings, matyrdom operations, calls for a global caliphate and sharia law, rapes, murder, honor-killings, terror cells, FGM, violent "immigrant" gangs, death-threats, calls to assassinate polititians, violence to homosexuals and prostitutes, forced marriages, destruction of churches/temples of non Muslims, whitewashing of history in universities/media, riots, beheadings, school sieges, theatre sieges, 'plane hijacks, arms, people and drug smuggling, religious vilification lawsuits, Christmas carol/Nativity play banning, banned sculptures/books/cartoons/films/paintings/ice-creams/pictures of pigs, taqiyya/kitman, money laundering, “morality police”, dhimmis, blood money, floggings, violations of Religious Freedoms, kidnappings, jihadi training camps, hate education in schools and madrasas, massacres of tourists, apostacy laws, rise in extremist Islam, economic mis-management, corruption, war etc etc. So those of us that have noticed these things happening and have bothered to study the Qur'an and sunnah and history (without resorting to believing Saudi-funded/BBC-apologist-propaganda whitewashes of history such as An Islamic History of Europe Parts 1&2 on TV) are projecting our ignorant hatred eh? Why don't you get another perspective and update YOUR ignorance by reading some Ibn Warraq, Ali Sina, Andrew Bostom (The Legacy of Jihad) and Robert Spencer?
Or are you only capable of watching the telly?

Irfan,

unfortunately, it is obvious that racial profiling will take place. This is in no small part due to the continued refusal by members of the Islamic communities, both here and around the world, consistent refusal to condemn, and indeed continued support for, terrorism. This is the inescapable fact that underlies the non-palatable truth. Unfortunately, the muslim communities have failed to realise that to live peacefully amongst the various ethnic groups making up this nation that it is necessary to refute the hard line minority within their own community.

The fact is that jews for instance were victimised for millenia, whilst living peacefully among the goyim in Europe. This is despite the fact that no jew attacked them, and if they had it would have been condemned by the majority in the interest of self-preservation.

If the muslim community continues to seek to aggravate their non-muslim neighbours, history has shown that far from self-preservation, they will achieve self-immoliation instead. This aggravation includes any support, or failure to condemn, terrorist acts by correligionists worldwide. Choose wisely,

Aaron.