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The abortion issue is alive and kicking : Comments

By Rob Ward, published 12/10/2010

Media indifference or media censorship? Setting the record straight on abortion rallies.

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Well, I attended.

No one paid for me to attend.

I attended because 20,000 abortions each year in this state is obscene and if only the religious care, so be it. This is an issue that will not go away.
Posted by David Palmer, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 3:03:05 PM
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This is not a place for anyone to be righteous about anything. We are all entirely mortal and saturated with fear, knowing that we can be snuffed in any moment, and that everybody eventually dies, and quite often in a wretched condition.

There will always be abortions, and there always was. As such we have no choice but to deal with this situation with real intelligence, and provide compassionate support for women who for whatever reason choose to have one.

Part of the horrible mystery around abortions is associated with the failure to understand the condition of the unborn.

Even infants once they are born are in a chaos of perception. They only gradually develop their self-sense, social adaptation and self-idea.

But we place the design of our own often dim-witted conventional perceptions on fetuses and infants and we thus cannot tolerate the idea that they are essentially involved in a process of sacrifice, as are all human and biological beings. We cannot tolerate the idea that we too, must be and are a sacrifice. Billions of biological deaths occur every day, and yet Life keeps arising.

Wisdom (and hence Compassion) begins when we are not afraid of all these deaths and presume that everything conditional is in chaos. And that Unconditional Existence is our Inherent Condition prior to all of these births and deaths.

We need, at heart, to be free of the fear that is invoked when we see all the cycles of being, everyone dying. See all of that in chaos. See that conditional existence is a sacrifice. This will release us from the fear associated with mortality and the witnessing the mortality of others and the mortal effects that every breath has. It will release you from the mortal EFFECTS that you HAVE on everything, everyone. You eat and you are being eaten by Life. There is no end to it. Everything is a feast.
Posted by Ho Hum, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 3:35:07 PM
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the secular media - those champions of 'free speech' and 'choice' - should be the last mob to complain about biases.

The day will come when abortion and euthanasia will be seen as this generation's equivalent to the question of slavery and its emancipation,
as last generation's was to the holocaust and folks like David Irving who are so fond of denying historical truths like that.

But when it comes to the unmitigated holocaust of millions of defenceless unborn, where are these champions of human rights?

Oh, right, championing the rights of turtles, whales, dolphins and trees, anything but our species, it seems.
Posted by SHRODE, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 3:47:59 PM
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But we live in a profoundly sub-human essentially psychotic "culture".
Most of right-wing religiosity is a form of psychosis. Indeed right-wing religionists represent the leading edge of our now collective psychosis.

So what to do about abortion? And by extension the body and its emotional-sexual patterning.

The positive moral rightness of human self-responsibility should include, among all the many practical elements of its totality, the PERSONAL (and NOT merely LEGALLY-ENFORCED)responsibility to take genuine care and direct physical precaution to avoid unwanted pregnancies, medically non-necessary abortions.

Of course for such to be truly effective humankind must altogether, and one at a time, voluntarily enter a process of profound psycho-physical education and re-education.

An education which will necessarily replace the sex and body negative puritanical double-mindedness that mis-informs our entire culture in general, and self-righteous right-wing religionists in particular.
Posted by Ho Hum, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 3:52:18 PM
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I think pro-choicers worry that pro-life Christians are trying to tell women what they can do with their own bodies. Wrong, we're just trying to save your own child so that he or she may live a long, healthy and happy life.
Posted by TRUTHNOW78, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 4:12:37 PM
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*I think pro-choicers worry that pro-life Christians are trying to tell women what they can do with their own bodies.*

Well they are. We can't have all that "evil" fornication going on,
just ask runner.

Given half a chance, the Catholic Church would control the lot,
from denying you divorce, as they do in other parts of the world,
to banning most contraceptives. They want control!

If the Christian lobby is so concerned about babies, why arn't
they off in India, saving starving thinking, feeling, born babies?
I don't know of a single poster here who has sold their computer
to save another starving baby in India.

So they prefer to go on about a foetus, which has no functioning,
thinking, feeling brain. Which is little more then a clump of cells.
Which the mother should decide, if she wants to raise or not,
after all, she has about 400 chances in life and she can't raise them
all.

The world is overflowing with hungry, starving, unwanted babies
and they worry about a clump of cells.

Clearly their agenda is a very different one, as their actions
prove.
Posted by Yabby, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 4:56:01 PM
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