In terms of parents and abuse, a child is about 6 times more likely to be abused by mummy's new boyfriend, than by their natural father.

Again, this is something I've never known a feminist group to mention.

Feminists can and have said similar vanna.

But based on your history a feminist might not make statements like that because they will be accused of man-hating. Mummy's new boyfriend is also a man.

AbuseVictims, "You supplied one cell, we supplied one cell and our very health and lives to bring that child into existence. When you risk your life to do the same then you should be allowed to have a greater voice in this."

Assumed ownership is where the problems come from. Neither parent owns the child, parenthood implies many responsibilities and obligations but we do so out of love and for our own joy and sense of completeness in having children. The child is always a separate entity with rights. We do our best where we can set them loose. Children should not be burdened with obligation nor loyalty demanded of them in wars waged by selfish parents.

Pelican,

I've never known a feminist group to ever mention it, and leaving out that information is actualy a form of misinformation.

Similar I have never heard of a feminist saying anything positive about marriage.

Both fathers and marriage are normally described in terms such as "abuse" or "power and control" or "patriachial".

Its a standard form of brainwashing, as using such words when describing fathers or marriage makes people associate fathers and marriage with abuse and power & control etc.

Pelican:"Can we add that we also stop demonising single mothers, women who choose careers over children, women CEOs and women who stay at home and the most demonised group at least on OLO, feminists."

"Oh, poor me, I'm a victim". What a lot of tosh. Women are protected from any "demonisation" by the Anti-Discrimination Act, men are not.

The reason I am personally dismissive of Feminism has been made very clear here on many occasions - it's a dishonest ideology that spruiks egalitarianism but is really about special pleading. It's intellectually bereft and ethically dubious. As a field of study it's got all the academic rigour of bubble-gum blowing.

It panders to the weak-minded and the weak of spirit and is driven by those with a pathological hatred of men. It creates nothing.

AbuseVictim:"As a mother and a former victim of abuse, if MY child came to me and said the things this child allegedly said, I would withhold her from dad also "

And therein lies the problem. Your neurosis is not a good basis for decision-making.

AbuseVictim:"Then i started researching why women were put on in the spotlight after committing the most unforgivable act ever - the killing of one's own children. It was then that I discovered how many dads versus how many moms were killing and hurting children and how the media treated them."

If you were to look outside the Anonymums bog circle you'd find that the genuine figures indicate that the majority of all abuse of children is perpetrated by mothers and that the majority of filicide is also perpetrated by mothers.

Unfortunately, people like your referenced blogger are very adept at cherrypicking their examples to appeal to the neuroses of people like you. Do try to look around some more if you're genuinely interested. There's lots of good data available, but you'll never see that on one of the "all men are bastards" blogs. Move outside your comfort zone.

In Saying the Unsayable, Melaine Phillips actually points out a conundrum, liberalism in its effort to make life easier for single mums, has made to problem much larger.

http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=471