Mac, please provide the full reference to O'Neal. i couldn't find it in your posts. Ta in advance

Mac I did find this remark <<Islam is just another religion and there's nothing special about Moslems>>

I think Muslims are very special. They are conscience of their own failings and in one way or another aware of the need to improve in character. I love 'em and islam is a beautiful religion. Its guidance is sound and works.

If Islam wasn't so special, why would there be so many people with a phobia against asking serious scholars about the nature of the religion and its people.

I went to an exhibition of Islam a while back, exhibiting artefacts from various part of the Islamic world. What i found interesting was the background music. It wasn't Islamic whatever it was. Why didn't they play the Qur'aan? I would have loved them to play the Qur'aan because i think people would have been struck by the beauty of its recitation (despite not understanding the Arabic). Perhaps it was for this very reason that the organisers did not play the qur'aan. Who knows?

Islamophobia, in reality, is a fear of telling the facts about Islam.

salaams

Dear grateful,

Probably in every religion many people who belong to it think it is special. If there were a religion whose members didn't think it was special it would be exceptional and therefore special. We would then have a paradox.

grateful,

The reference to O'Neill's book is on page 19, there are also other books on the Crusades and early Christian-Moslem conflict listed. I rely on books as references, rather than the Net. Most references on the Net are superficial.

I agree with David f, all religions are sublime, to their followers.

I respect your right to believe, however,what some Moslems don't seem to understand is, that I have a right not to respect your religion and to simply ignore it.

I disagree with your definition of 'Islamophobia',the term was invented to silence critics of those Islamic practices that violated human rights.The model was probably the way Zionists accuse critics of Israel of being 'anti-Semitic'.

<<<Islamophobia, in reality, is a fear of telling the facts about Islam>>>

Then you must have the mother of all cases of Islamophobia, Grateful!
Since it seems, you’ve spent most of your life rummaging around in the cherry tree assiduously avoiding the 99% of cherries that are either sour, flyblown, or covered in flying fox poop, just so you can shout Yahoo! I found a good one.

LOL Horus

Well put!

Thanks for the feedback, Constance.

>>Yes, you sure are wishy washy and confusing to say the least. How old are you?<<

But this isn't Facebook, you know.

Now, where were we, before you decided to get personal.

>>You seem to have a problem with comprehension. "apply to both" - I already made a comment on that<<

Your comment, as I recall, indicated that you didn't actually know how the birth certificate actually works.

Do get back to us when you have found out.

>>One minute you seem to express how dum the Prog birth cert scenario is<<

Well, it is, isn't it? I thought we had actually agreed on that?

>>Now you say you didn't make a further comment because you're compassionate<<

Compassionate enough to refrain from pointing out to you that you were basing your argument on guesswork. Nothing to do with the "Prog birth cert scenario", as you so delightfully describe it.

>>You certainly don't give your user name any justice. And what a ponce you would have to be to use it. Such self-glorification.<<

I suppose I could have chosen the heroine of a D H Lawrence novel instead. Do you do it justice, by the way?

Incidentally, where did you find the information that "foreign services all-over use the term [Londonistan]"

I'd hate to think you just made it up.

But you'd have to be a bit of a ponce to do that, wouldn't you..