You need to get out more, Constance.

>>Yes, the weasles in England. Apparently London is widely known as Londonistan in international foreign agencies etc. You've probably heard it. And from what I hear - a long time since I've been there - that is what it has become.<<

"Londonistan" was in fact a book. A fine piece of self-serving sophistry by an English journalist - of Jewish extraction - called Melanie Phillips.

A lady who, incidentally, believes that Barack Obama is (simultaneously, apparently) a Muslim and a revolutionary Marxist. She also fulminates regularly in the Daily Mail (that should tell you something) against gays, and supports the teaching of Intelligent Design.

So if you are happy to be guided by a homophobic Islamophobe (she won a prize for her Islamophobia as long ago as 1993), then Melanie's your gal.

I wish you both joy.

And if you had been to London recently, you would also understand how out-of-touch with reality her views have become.

Incidentally, Melanie is so horrified with the whole Londonistan thing that she chooses to live in...

I'll let you guess.

grateful,

I suggest you avoid ad hominem arguments, I don't use them.

What statements about the Quran and history? If you'd read more carefully you'd have noticed my lack of interest or expertise in theology, I'm only concerned with the behaviour of believers, any attempt at a examination of any sacred book with the faithful, is a waste of grey cells. The content of the Quran is of no interest because-'The road to Hell is paved with good intentions'- for example, Communism was originally a humane philosophy, however it produced Stalin, Mao and numerous imitators.

So the Wahabis are the evil geniuses behind the jihad, who cares? Moslems should set their house in order but they haven't, have they. Why not? Too much internal passive support for the Wahabis perhaps.
Those references I listed provide a good introductory overview of early Moslem-Christian conflict, O'neills book is admittedly 'controversial', however it's an interesting perspective. If you can refer me to reputable sources that present a radically different view of history I'd be fascinated to read them.

In my opinion the threat from the 'Islamic jihad' is greatly overstated and is largely a product of inept external and internal policies by Western governments, of course the Moslem world is a mosquito compared with Western power.

Pericles,

I agree with your comments about Melanie Phillips,she's basically a pro-Zionist propagandist, how she gets away with some of her prejudiced rants amazes me.

Pericles,

I consider Spiegel to be absolutely the best source of information about Europe. What you see on their English site is only a small fraction of what is available in their weekly magazine.

Pericles,

So what. Am aware of Melanie and her book. Seems to talk about the Dhimmi Dummies and those who have a hatred of Jews. You seem to have blantantly ignored that I said foreign services all-over use the term. Who cares who invented the term. She may have heard about from someone from a foreign service. Have heard it several times including from an interviewee on Radio National, of which I am an avid listener. Don't you read or listen?

You seem pretty wishy washy. Get out more? Wasn't it you who had never heard about the Spanish Progenitors? And you never bothered to respond to my second post. You seemed to disagree to what was going on in Spain and then silence. Actually, a lot of silence on the post about that one I brought up. Very curious.

Arjay,

You're hysterical and make so many assumptions. If you wish to collude with those for the oppression of females, what are you doing here?

Oh dear, I'm sorry Constance. I'm obviously not paying you enough attention.

>> And you never bothered to respond to my second post.<<

Was a response required? I didn't realize that it meant so much to you. Perhaps I should rectify that, can't have you sulking, can we.

>>As far as I understand it (info about it, is very scant), the two Progs on the birth certificate actually apply to both the natural parents and the same sex couple<<

Ah, now I remember. You were saying that you didn't actually know, because "info is scant".

So you would be guessing, is that right?

(Incidentally, have you worked out how the one certificate could "apply to both"? Thought not)

I probably thought to myself at the time, better not reply, it might be embarrassing to point out that the post was based upon guesswork.

>>Actually, a lot of silence on the post about that one I brought up. Very curious<<

Not really. Just me, being compassionate.

Now, back to the delightful Melanie, and Londonistan.

>>You seem to have blantantly ignored that I said foreign services all-over use the term.<<

Hmmmm. Given your propensity for guessing, I thought it better not to ask how you actually came by this information.

But if you do have a source, please feel free to share.

>>Have heard it several times including from an interviewee on Radio National<<

It is certainly a word that is bandied around, Constance. But it is sometimes important to understand in what context it is used. For example, you may have heard the comment "some bigots and ignoramuses still use the hackneyed term "londonistan", coined some years ago by the Daily Mail journalist Melanie Phillips".

That would certainly count as an example of where you heard it "from an interviewee on Radio National", would it not.

Doesn't make it a) any more informative or b) any more illustrative of the city it refers to.

Slogans aren't reality, you know.

You seem to have a problem with comprehension. "apply to both" - I already made a comment on that. Boy, you seem really shallow. Do you know what the word "compassionate" actually means? You don't seem to. And you also contradict yourself. One minute you seem to express how dum the Prog birth cert scenario is. I perceived that to mean that you actually could be against it. Now you say you didn't make a further comment because you're compassionate. You don't make a lot of sense there, buddy (?)

Slogans not reality. Oh is that what it is? And they are not true - oh how deep!

I wondered how is it that Ayaan Hirsi Ali's recent talk on her latest book at the Sydney Opera House this year sold out months ahead. And why was Wafa Sultan was able to have a private meeting with the Australian Government several years ago (not announced till after she left Oz as her life would have been threatened). You live in your little warped reality and I'll stay in mine.

You certainly don't give your user name any justice. And what a ponce you would have to be to use it. Such self-glorification.

I recall someone else making a comment about you, ie that you don't seem to know where you stand. Yes, you sure are wishy washy and confusing to say the least. How old are you?