Yep! I’m liking Mac’s work more and more:

“Moslem propagandists usually represent the Crusades,out of context, as a sudden outburst of Christian religious fanaticism. There's more to it than that,until the 18th century the West was under continuous pressure from Islamic states. However, Moslems present themselves as the perpetual victims of Western aggression,which is of course self-serving nonsense,unfortunately many ignorant non-Moslems accept these lies and think that Westerners 'owe' the Islamic world. That's why history is relevant today.”
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=10962#182914

and

“The conflict was indeed started by one specific side,the Moslems. The Byzantines had no concept of 'Holy War'(which was originally an Islamic doctrine) and after fighting an exhausting war with the Persians were unable to defend much of their territory from attacks by Mohammed's followers.”
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=10962#182945

He’s right on the money!

Even Davidf’s old wounded bird routine (it was all about jobs for the boys) , didn’t succeed.

And Arjay’s usual mantra (it is all part of a giant conspiracy) – got drowned out .

While I’m talking about Arjay , I was beginning to like him till he came out with this quip/ slur: “Horos” –Now, I’m just going to have to go back and re-read/savor all those nasty things Pericles has been saying about him!

Horos.It is no longer a theory.This is forensic science.Unlike environmental science,the variables are few thus there is a clear delineation of fact and fiction.

None of you can debate the real facts of 911.Either you don't have the intellectual capacity,or have other agendas wanting to cover up these crimes.

Mac & Horus,

That's it. Muslims act and think like the Crusades happened yesterday. And it was all about defending Europe. They amazingly ignore this aspect of having invaded Europe in the first place. I met a Pastor once who was heavily involved in inter-faith dialogue who said it was steadily going nowhere. He said their mentality is that the Crusades occurred only yesterday, and is impossible to have logical talk with Muslims. That they are always happy to criticise the West and cannot ever ever take criticism of themselves, ie. Islam.

StevenM,

Yes, the weasles in England. Apparently London is widely known as Londonistan in international foreign agencies etc. You've probably heard it. And from what I hear - a long time since I've been there - that is what it has become.

Well Constance,who created the problem you see as Londonstan? You like Stevenlmeyer are trying to justify the invasion of Iran and take it's oil,like they took Iraq's.Where were the weapons of mass destruction?

You are trying to justify imperialism via a social conflict( ie hatred of Muslims) created by an elite to subjugate the masses.It is your very own Govt that creates division to surpress you.

The Communist bogey is gone and thus there was the need for another source of repression,called terrorism.Zibigniew Brzezinski from his book "The Grand Chessboard" prior 911 "What we need is a truely massive and widely perceived direct external threat." Enter Osama Bin Laden.Where's Wally Bin laden now? Oh China is the new threat.Let's go to war with China.

Arjay, Thanks for the Justin Raimondo link

I think you're right about greedy men at the top "wanting it all" and the need to create an existential threat to advance their geo-political goals.

As for the threat of facism. It is real and while i fully sympathise with Mac when he states "the followers of Mohammed's teachings have produced one of the most oppressive and conservative cultures on earth and that indisputable fact is what is significant to me.", his distain for providing ANY authoritive sources to back up his statements about the Quraan and history plays directly into the hands of the facists. Look how pleased Horus is with Mac's reading of history.

Mac: To put things in perspective read Daniel Pipes: "The Western Mind of Radical Islam" (http://www.danielpipes.org/273/the-western-mind-of-radical-islam). Of course Pipes is not exacly an apologist for Islam but nevertheless he is able to distinguish between the teachings of Muhammad and the teachings of Wahhabi's who, he argues are largely ignorant of their their religion and more influenced by Western culture and ideas.

Here is an extract:
<<For example Shiqaqi's familiarity with things Western fits a common pattern. The brother of Eyad Ismail, one of the World Trade Center bombers recently extradited from Jordan, said of him, "He loved everything American from cowboy movies to hamburgers." His sister recalled his love of U.S. television and his saying, "I want to live in America forever." The family, she commented, "always considered him a son of America." His mother confirmed that "he loves the United States."
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In contrast to this familiarity with Western ways, the Islamists are distant from their own culture. Turabi admitted to a French interviewer, "I know the history of France better than the history of Sudan; I love your culture, your painters, your musicians." Having found Islam on their own as adults, many Islamists are ignorant of their own history and traditions. Some of "the new generation," Martin Kramer notes, "are born-again Muslims, ill-acquainted with Islamic tradition." Tunisia's Minister of Religion Ali Chebbi goes further, saying that they "ignore the fundamental facts of Islam.">>

I'd agree that Wahhabis present an existential threat to civilised way of life, whether you want to call it a form of facism or not, i'm not sufficiently qualified to form an opinion. But it is not the only form of threat to civilisation. Facism is also rising in the West, proudly sponsored by right-wing pro-Israeli groups (http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk/news/europe/1328-wilders-launches-anti-islam-campaign-to-support-israel)

Those of us who really do fear a return to something like facism should be able to agree on a civilised form of debate in which discussion can be robust but supported by facts and the research of serious scholars. Otherwise people, like Mac who choose to ignore serious scholarship, will slip into the facist mentality like a lizard slithering into a crack in the wall.